1 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:41,930 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,449 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:47,730 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,149 --> 00:00:50,750 universe exploring the unexplained UFO 6 00:00:57,530 --> 00:00:55,159 of ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:57,540 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:05,749 --> 00:01:01,379 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:05,759 night and night now your electrifying 10 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:09,030 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 11 00:01:20,029 --> 00:01:17,640 Begley and team sports Wow I'm pretty 12 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:20,039 sure I'm going to hit pay dirt up here 13 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:22,200 on Oak Island treasure hunters been 14 00:01:26,779 --> 00:01:24,090 trying to find a mother lode buried by 15 00:01:30,919 --> 00:01:26,789 the Knights Templar for several 16 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:30,929 centuries well that's true too but why 17 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:32,880 do you think that you're gonna go and do 18 00:01:37,279 --> 00:01:35,090 better than the pros with their advanced 19 00:01:41,029 --> 00:01:37,289 magnetic resonance and their high-tech 20 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:41,039 drilling equipment but I have the best 21 00:01:45,999 --> 00:01:43,729 damn dowsing rods owned and managed to 22 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:46,009 wire coat hangers 23 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:49,950 hmm well they do look like they're 24 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:53,520 moving by themselves over something have 25 00:02:00,650 --> 00:01:58,170 you got there well I'm hoping well it's 26 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:00,660 probably a geez it has to be the Holy 27 00:02:05,749 --> 00:02:03,000 Grail mmm 28 00:02:07,999 --> 00:02:05,759 still looks suspicious to me yeah we'll 29 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:08,009 have to check it out further get down on 30 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:11,430 your knees at Tim and help me dig a 31 00:02:21,790 --> 00:02:17,400 little here in the mud all right oh boy 32 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:21,800 well knee deep and the mildew once again 33 00:02:26,809 --> 00:02:25,200 or something to that effect at least you 34 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:26,819 are I know I have been Jasper Indiana 35 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:29,160 here in New York we're in the middle of 36 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:31,560 the concrete jungle and there's more 37 00:02:36,619 --> 00:02:33,230 concrete here than you could shake a 38 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:36,629 flying saucer at every day I go out 39 00:02:42,589 --> 00:02:40,080 there's a bigger crane on the block this 40 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:42,599 is this weekend I had to walk two blocks 41 00:02:47,870 --> 00:02:44,209 out of my way 42 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:47,880 to get back to my building because they 43 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:50,250 had this crane that must have been the 44 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:51,360 equivalent of like me 45 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:54,780 b-25s stories tall and I asked the guy I 46 00:03:00,020 --> 00:02:57,270 said you know the head form in there why 47 00:03:02,750 --> 00:03:00,030 do you have to do this on the weekend 48 00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:02,760 when a few people that live on the block 49 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:04,800 might like a little leisure time to 50 00:03:11,450 --> 00:03:07,320 themselves and he said oh that's the 51 00:03:14,540 --> 00:03:11,460 only time that the city will give us a 52 00:03:19,699 --> 00:03:14,550 permit so you know the restaurant here 53 00:03:22,930 --> 00:03:19,709 is going to get fewer customers you know 54 00:03:25,940 --> 00:03:22,940 and we just have to worry about even my 55 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:25,950 my relatives and all coming and they 56 00:03:30,890 --> 00:03:27,959 can't park anywhere near here so I end 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:30,900 up spending $50 on a garage you know I 58 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:34,530 feel like taking that crane and you know 59 00:03:40,460 --> 00:03:37,230 I won't talk like that I know this is a 60 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:40,470 sort of family show well you can't you 61 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:42,150 just like you know swing into your 62 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:43,590 apartment window from the building next 63 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:47,070 door well it's too high up to do that to 64 00:03:53,930 --> 00:03:50,670 be honest with you it's just unreal I 65 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:53,940 think I posted a photo on the Facebook 66 00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:57,200 or meant to anyway of the of the crane 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:03:59,640 but we just did a you know like it kind 68 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:01,290 of ties in with this book we just did 69 00:04:07,550 --> 00:04:04,170 the weird wing the wonders the Twilight 70 00:04:10,310 --> 00:04:07,560 world of Krypton or the creatures I 71 00:04:13,699 --> 00:04:10,320 guess we had a few big cranes in there 72 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:13,709 right and maybe different kind of thing 73 00:04:19,849 --> 00:04:15,209 yeah yeah we'll see I got to get a 74 00:04:22,159 --> 00:04:19,859 little promotion and why and I should 75 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:22,169 just add now out available on Amazon 76 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:24,870 that's right just wait for the last a 77 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:27,450 couple of days and I do want to get on 78 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:30,060 to our guess but I do also want to tell 79 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:31,590 our listeners that we have a very 80 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:34,140 special announcement after the first 81 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:40,850 break about a screening of a UFO type 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:44,490 film coming up that you are free to 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:46,610 attend in Jersey City 84 00:04:55,219 --> 00:04:50,970 next week but Tim let us bring on our 85 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:55,229 guests and discuss our topic for the 86 00:05:02,290 --> 00:04:58,650 evening yeah well I mean tonight we're 87 00:05:04,899 --> 00:05:02,300 going to be talking about dowsing and 88 00:05:07,459 --> 00:05:04,909 radionics and 89 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:07,469 pendulum and as some people like to 90 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:08,310 refer to it 91 00:05:14,230 --> 00:05:11,610 water witching and other things but I I 92 00:05:17,719 --> 00:05:14,240 don't I don't know that that may be a 93 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:17,729 stereotype anymore Tim so we'll leave it 94 00:05:22,219 --> 00:05:19,650 up to our guests to decide whether or 95 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:22,229 not that's the case or not but speaking 96 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:25,529 of our guest I'm really happy that we 97 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:28,740 have Jim Willis back on with us again 98 00:05:33,019 --> 00:05:31,560 now I think this is the third time Jim 99 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:33,029 has been with us on exploring the 100 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:37,080 bizarre and if anybody or remembers now 101 00:05:43,209 --> 00:05:39,900 Jim had earned his master's degree in 102 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:43,219 theology from Andover Newton theology 103 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:46,020 theological school Jim has been an 104 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:48,150 ordained minister for over 40 years he's 105 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:50,310 also taught college courses in 106 00:05:55,579 --> 00:05:52,740 comparative religion and cross-cultural 107 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:55,589 studies his background and theology and 108 00:05:59,959 --> 00:05:57,210 education led to his writings on 109 00:06:02,779 --> 00:05:59,969 religion the apocalypse cross-cultural 110 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:02,789 spirituality and the mysteries of the 111 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:07,110 unknown now he has written a number of 112 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:09,539 just really fascinating books I the ones 113 00:06:14,149 --> 00:06:12,000 that I have gotten I've just really 114 00:06:17,209 --> 00:06:14,159 enjoyed all of them one of them is the 115 00:06:20,540 --> 00:06:17,219 dragon awakes rediscovering earth energy 116 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:20,550 in the age of science ancient gods lost 117 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:22,500 histories hidden truths and the 118 00:06:32,869 --> 00:06:29,460 conspiracy of science and I can't I have 119 00:06:35,119 --> 00:06:32,879 to talk about this his to be released I 120 00:06:38,119 --> 00:06:35,129 don't think has a date quite yet for it 121 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:38,129 is a quantum dowsing a new understanding 122 00:06:44,719 --> 00:06:41,849 of the ancient craft so also with us 123 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:44,729 tonight is Edie Kelly of Kelly research 124 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:47,330 technologies and I'm really happy that 125 00:06:53,089 --> 00:06:50,370 had agreed to be with us tonight now 126 00:06:56,540 --> 00:06:53,099 Edie along with his sister runs Kelly 127 00:06:58,610 --> 00:06:56,550 research technologies in Lamont Georgia 128 00:07:00,670 --> 00:06:58,620 now Kelly research technologies is a 129 00:07:03,019 --> 00:07:00,680 second generation family business 130 00:07:05,779 --> 00:07:03,029 dedicated to manufacture and 131 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:05,789 distribution of top-quality scaler and 132 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:09,990 phase can jus can i'm not going to 133 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:12,060 pronounce that correctly 134 00:07:17,690 --> 00:07:15,180 conjoint technology for use of the vast 135 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:17,700 community of radionics psychotronic 136 00:07:22,940 --> 00:07:20,910 others subtle energies now I should 137 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:22,950 point out that it was originally 138 00:07:25,940 --> 00:07:24,120 organized under the names 139 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:25,950 interdimensional sciences Incorporated 140 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:28,670 and dimensional sciences Incorporated 141 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:33,210 from Ann's father who inventor Peter J 142 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:35,310 Kelly who designed manufactured and 143 00:07:40,790 --> 00:07:38,790 distributed variable capacitors scaler 144 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:40,800 tuning devices as well as a family of 145 00:07:48,530 --> 00:07:45,960 related devices now ed and his sister 146 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:48,540 have been running Kelly research 147 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:53,610 technology since 2004 and it's dedicated 148 00:07:58,190 --> 00:07:55,950 to further distribution of the products 149 00:07:59,930 --> 00:07:58,200 and devices developed by their father as 150 00:08:00,980 --> 00:07:59,940 well as support of all existing 151 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:00,990 customers and clients of 152 00:08:06,350 --> 00:08:02,970 inter-dimensional sciences and 153 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:06,360 dimensional sciences so Jim Eadie thank 154 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:07,500 you very much for being with us tonight 155 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:10,530 on exploring the bizarre well you know I 156 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:12,750 never realized him that there are 157 00:08:20,930 --> 00:08:17,280 various aspects to to dowsing now I I 158 00:08:23,540 --> 00:08:20,940 see and I may be wrong here that Jim 159 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:23,550 approaches it from a more conventional 160 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:26,340 point of view where I think would ed are 161 00:08:31,790 --> 00:08:29,340 we not talking about radionics and the 162 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:31,800 hieronymus machine yes exactly exactly 163 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:36,080 which I mean the the radionics and 164 00:08:45,950 --> 00:08:41,780 hermanus devices are really a kind of a 165 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:45,960 modern electronic mechanical versions of 166 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:48,690 dowsing I mean they all seem to kind of 167 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:52,620 hail from the same family tree well I'm 168 00:08:59,180 --> 00:08:54,510 going to dig into this and I'm sure you 169 00:09:03,590 --> 00:08:59,190 are too but Jim where are we talking to 170 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:03,600 you for I'm in South Carolina yeah as a 171 00:09:11,390 --> 00:09:07,860 matter I've just discovered I'm only 172 00:09:13,580 --> 00:09:11,400 about four hours from IDI and before 173 00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:13,590 this is over I'm gonna make appointment 174 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:15,030 to get out there and see him sometime I 175 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:19,890 really don't know what one one one thing 176 00:09:24,770 --> 00:09:22,050 that we have been able to do here or 177 00:09:27,860 --> 00:09:24,780 accomplish over the last several seasons 178 00:09:30,260 --> 00:09:27,870 and a Peter it tells us that this is our 179 00:09:31,610 --> 00:09:30,270 hundred and twenty-fifth episode it is 180 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:31,620 get a lot of 181 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:34,529 our vara guests together that's one of 182 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:37,890 the reasons that we try to pair up to I 183 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:41,790 guess to a program but Jim let's start 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:44,460 off a simple - for those who have 185 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:47,370 absolutely no background in dowsing what 186 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:51,540 exactly is dowsing Wow 187 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:53,880 I'll get I'll try to stick to the 5 or 188 00:10:01,250 --> 00:09:56,970 10 minute version and and I'll try not 189 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:01,260 to fall into my two hour seminar dowsing 190 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:05,160 I can probably best explain it by 191 00:10:14,300 --> 00:10:09,660 telling you how I got into it basically 192 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:14,310 dowsing is the idea of a picture or 193 00:10:18,670 --> 00:10:16,320 radio for instance or a television set 194 00:10:20,510 --> 00:10:18,680 say if you had the old fashioned 195 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:20,520 television set black-and-white 196 00:10:27,079 --> 00:10:22,650 television with the rabbit ears on top 197 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:27,089 I'm dating myself now you would watch 198 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:29,040 that television and maybe pick up the 199 00:10:33,019 --> 00:10:30,570 rabbit ears we used to do this when we 200 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:33,029 were kids and moving them around and you 201 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:35,010 see the picture change on the television 202 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,760 set and if you stood in one place you 203 00:10:42,620 --> 00:10:40,320 get a better picture and then you'd move 204 00:10:44,510 --> 00:10:42,630 over across the room and what that was 205 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:44,520 telling you was that there were all 206 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:49,110 kinds of television signals going 207 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:50,610 through the room coursing through your 208 00:10:55,610 --> 00:10:53,130 body all the time and you're just not 209 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:55,620 aware of them until you started picking 210 00:11:00,410 --> 00:10:57,360 up that rabbit those rabbit ears and you 211 00:11:02,930 --> 00:11:00,420 became an antenna for the television set 212 00:11:06,610 --> 00:11:02,940 and that made all of a sudden it made it 213 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:06,620 very clear to you that these these 214 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:08,880 television arrays were television waves 215 00:11:12,380 --> 00:11:10,680 which were all over the place and you 216 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:12,390 were experiencing him all the time on 217 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:14,400 the television you could see the results 218 00:11:20,540 --> 00:11:17,490 of that experience and that is kind of 219 00:11:24,290 --> 00:11:20,550 what dowsing is the rabbit ears were 220 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:24,300 dowsing rods whether you use a pendulum 221 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:26,880 or whether in my case usually I'm using 222 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:29,190 what we call L rods they're two rods 223 00:11:36,199 --> 00:11:31,800 have one and held in each hand and they 224 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:36,209 are shaped in the letter L a lot like 225 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:37,800 the letter L and so you hold them and 226 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:40,440 you can all of a sudden by asking 227 00:11:46,509 --> 00:11:44,420 questions and by fully in intentionally 228 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:46,519 getting into the the proper wavelengths 229 00:11:50,910 --> 00:11:49,010 the rods we'll all of a sudden move and 230 00:11:53,139 --> 00:11:50,920 they will become a visible sign of 231 00:11:56,740 --> 00:11:53,149 something that your body has been 232 00:12:00,879 --> 00:11:56,750 experiencing but it was below the level 233 00:12:02,379 --> 00:12:00,889 of your understanding you didn't realize 234 00:12:05,710 --> 00:12:02,389 they were there until all of a sudden 235 00:12:08,650 --> 00:12:05,720 these dowsing rods move when it happens 236 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:08,660 for the first time in your life it will 237 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:12,050 it will change your life forever because 238 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:14,930 it just it doesn't seem possible you 239 00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:16,310 begin to wonder how it could be I'll 240 00:12:22,449 --> 00:12:18,320 never forget the first time I tried a 241 00:12:24,189 --> 00:12:22,459 thousand I never believed in dowsing I 242 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:24,199 never thought there was anything to it 243 00:12:30,939 --> 00:12:29,300 at all and I met horrific looked down on 244 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:30,949 people who were dowsing I thought they 245 00:12:35,079 --> 00:12:32,180 were clacks I thought there was 246 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:35,089 something going on but for some reason 247 00:12:39,329 --> 00:12:37,130 when we moved out here to the woods in 248 00:12:41,949 --> 00:12:39,339 South Carolina almost a decade ago now 249 00:12:45,129 --> 00:12:41,959 one morning I got up and said I wanted 250 00:12:47,410 --> 00:12:45,139 to learn how to dowse for water and so I 251 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:47,420 went down to my local hardware store and 252 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:49,370 believe it or not they didn't actually 253 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:52,610 have any dowsing rods in the hardware 254 00:12:57,009 --> 00:12:55,850 store so I tried to get some brass rods 255 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:57,019 well I didn't have any of that either 256 00:13:01,389 --> 00:12:58,490 but I could get some really thick 257 00:13:03,189 --> 00:13:01,399 heavy-duty copper wire so I cut two 258 00:13:06,970 --> 00:13:03,199 lengths of them off came up bent them 259 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:06,980 into del rod and into L rods and I went 260 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:08,930 out armed with my dowsing rods not 261 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:10,730 knowing what I was doing to try to find 262 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:13,910 water and I totally struck out didn't 263 00:13:18,670 --> 00:13:16,370 find anything I even walked across the 264 00:13:21,009 --> 00:13:18,680 water line that runs between the well 265 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:21,019 and the house where I knew there was 266 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:25,130 water and nothing happened so I did what 267 00:13:30,250 --> 00:13:27,170 we all do nowadays I went on the 268 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:30,260 internet and looked at if you look up 269 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:32,120 dowsing on the internet you just find 270 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:34,970 thousands and thousands of pages and one 271 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:37,910 page caught my eye and it was about 272 00:13:43,449 --> 00:13:40,880 dowsing for earth energy and that 273 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:43,459 sounded really interesting to me 274 00:13:48,430 --> 00:13:46,010 so after reading some more I took the 275 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:48,440 dowsing rods I went out in the front 276 00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:50,410 yard ice and I just tried to really 277 00:13:56,319 --> 00:13:53,750 intentionally focus meditative to kind 278 00:13:58,180 --> 00:13:56,329 of focus on earth energy where there any 279 00:14:00,340 --> 00:13:58,190 the subtle energy 280 00:14:03,130 --> 00:14:00,350 moving through the earth around me and 281 00:14:05,830 --> 00:14:03,140 at one point right in our front yard I 282 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:05,840 took the step that changed me forever 283 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:07,730 one minute the rods were just sitting 284 00:14:12,730 --> 00:14:10,520 there in dirt and the next minute I took 285 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:12,740 one step and they crossed it was like I 286 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:15,920 was running into a wall and I backed off 287 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:19,070 and did it again same place same thing 288 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:22,160 happened and basically what I had 289 00:14:28,810 --> 00:14:24,560 discovered was what we might call a 290 00:14:30,430 --> 00:14:28,820 river of energy it used to be called in 291 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:30,440 in this case it was used to be called a 292 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:32,090 ley line but we don't use that term much 293 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:34,610 anymore but an energy line that was 294 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:36,170 actually flowing through the earth 295 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:39,290 wherever I hit it the rods would simply 296 00:14:43,870 --> 00:14:41,870 collapse when I entered into it I would 297 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:43,880 come in from the other side and they 298 00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:45,050 would do the same thing on the other 299 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:47,480 side it was as if there was a river of 300 00:14:52,750 --> 00:14:49,490 energy happened to be six and a half 301 00:14:55,630 --> 00:14:52,760 inches wide and I was so fascinated that 302 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:55,640 I followed this river in the backyard 303 00:15:01,690 --> 00:14:58,130 and the front yard I followed this 304 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:01,700 particular energy line out as as far as 305 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:05,270 well in one case probably more than 50 306 00:15:10,090 --> 00:15:07,970 miles and it took a while to find it but 307 00:15:11,740 --> 00:15:10,100 when I found it there it was again same 308 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:11,750 energy while I got actually put in on a 309 00:15:17,140 --> 00:15:15,440 map and when I began to research all 310 00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:17,150 these and put these put them all on a 311 00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:18,560 map and see where they went 312 00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:20,990 it's very difficult to draw a line over 313 00:15:26,050 --> 00:15:24,140 the earth on a flat map but there seems 314 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:26,060 to be an energy line that flows right 315 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:27,530 through our house that we built our 316 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:29,150 house on without realizing what we were 317 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:31,040 doing that flows all the way from the 318 00:15:35,650 --> 00:15:33,050 Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean and 319 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:35,660 happens to go through an unbelievable 320 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:42,350 number of American Indian special sites 321 00:15:49,510 --> 00:15:46,520 of the mountain people even the even the 322 00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:49,520 Georgia Guidestones up in in Georgia and 323 00:15:55,390 --> 00:15:52,280 no matter how far out I found there it 324 00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:55,400 is the same energy line since then of 325 00:15:59,170 --> 00:15:58,160 course that kind of opened the thing 326 00:16:02,740 --> 00:15:59,180 I've learned you can dowse for 327 00:16:05,890 --> 00:16:02,750 absolutely anything by focusing in on it 328 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:05,900 but we heard that urea Geller 329 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:08,720 became a millionaire because he was 330 00:16:12,630 --> 00:16:10,270 flying over 331 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:12,640 I think it was maybe South Africa with a 332 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:15,370 with a map and pointed out the location 333 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:20,350 of an oil field Wow yeah and God has got 334 00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:23,500 a finder's fee which he certainly well 335 00:16:28,010 --> 00:16:24,460 deserved 336 00:16:32,430 --> 00:16:28,020 now that correct me if I'm incorrect but 337 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:32,440 doesn't dowsing go back several thousand 338 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:34,930 years to a China where they called it 339 00:16:41,510 --> 00:16:38,950 the dragon lines yes it goes back as far 340 00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:41,520 as we can tell it goes way way back 341 00:16:49,380 --> 00:16:44,640 thousands of years as a matter of fact I 342 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:49,390 dowsing the the world of dowsers you can 343 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:50,950 even see in the Old Testament 344 00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:53,740 for instance when Moses goes out into 345 00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:55,840 the desert carrying his rod and what 346 00:17:01,080 --> 00:16:58,720 does he do it he finds water I think 347 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:01,090 there's a perfect example of dowsing 348 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:02,020 right there 349 00:17:06,210 --> 00:17:04,990 I think the neat thing about and will 350 00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:06,220 get probably I hope to get into this 351 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:08,080 with it a little bit later but the neat 352 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:09,640 thing about what Ed and his company 353 00:17:15,630 --> 00:17:11,860 you're doing is they are coming at this 354 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:15,640 now from the hard science side and so 355 00:17:19,380 --> 00:17:17,530 what we're actually having in our 356 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:19,390 generation I didn't never thought I 357 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:20,910 would live to see this in our generation 358 00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:25,390 we have the the dowsing world thousands 359 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:29,100 of years old which has been up until now 360 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:32,710 seen as a kind of a parapsychology or 361 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:33,700 something like that 362 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:36,250 metaphysical and now the scientific 363 00:17:41,790 --> 00:17:38,500 world especially through quantum studies 364 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:41,800 are starting to merge together and so 365 00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:43,870 the two lanes of traffic which have been 366 00:17:48,030 --> 00:17:46,120 going sideways with each other parallel 367 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:48,040 to each other the science and the 368 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:51,130 intuitive the mystic I'm now merged onto 369 00:17:54,930 --> 00:17:53,140 one superhighway and I think in the next 370 00:17:56,550 --> 00:17:54,940 20-30 years we're going to see a change 371 00:17:59,790 --> 00:17:56,560 like you've never seen before 372 00:18:03,210 --> 00:17:59,800 so Jim when you were when you were out 373 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:03,220 in your yard and and discovered the the 374 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,470 earth energy line now how could you tell 375 00:18:11,370 --> 00:18:07,600 the difference between something like 376 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:11,380 that or underground water or even just 377 00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:14,950 say a pipe underneath your feet at first 378 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:17,830 I couldn't I didn't know how to do it 379 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:20,770 but as you practice and practice and 380 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:21,200 practice 381 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:24,769 and learn this whole idea of intention 382 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:28,580 it seems like now when I'm looking for 383 00:18:34,899 --> 00:18:31,490 earth energy I can walk right over a 384 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:34,909 stream and the dowsing rods won't do 385 00:18:41,950 --> 00:18:38,870 anything if I'm looking for water I can 386 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:41,960 walk right across an energy line and the 387 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:44,330 water will will show and the energy line 388 00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:48,980 won't is it's really funny the electric 389 00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:53,059 crew was coming up and paving our road 390 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:55,039 we're way out in the woods and they were 391 00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:56,690 paving the road for the first time and 392 00:19:00,669 --> 00:18:57,950 they knew there was a water line that 393 00:19:02,769 --> 00:19:00,679 ran a private water line that ran along 394 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:02,779 the side of the road and they couldn't 395 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:05,929 find it and they also knew that there 396 00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,460 was an electric line underneath now they 397 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:08,960 could find the electric line but they 398 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:12,049 couldn't find the water line so I went 399 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:14,450 out and I was I was going to be the big 400 00:19:18,460 --> 00:19:16,580 hero you know and I walked out and I 401 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:18,470 said want me to help want me to find 402 00:19:21,250 --> 00:19:19,820 that water line for I'll go get my 403 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:21,260 dowsing rods and I didn't know what kind 404 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:23,570 of reaction I was going to get the head 405 00:19:27,789 --> 00:19:25,730 of the crew said oh don't worry I got 406 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:27,799 mine in the truck he went at his own 407 00:19:32,649 --> 00:19:31,039 dowsing rods came out and came within 408 00:19:34,180 --> 00:19:32,659 just a matter of feet he says I know 409 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:34,190 that water is right here someplace 410 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:36,110 because I'm getting anything I got my 411 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:37,730 dowsing rods in between the two of them 412 00:19:41,889 --> 00:19:39,710 we were able to pinpoint not only the 413 00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,899 exact place where the water was but how 414 00:19:46,899 --> 00:19:44,480 deep it was and here was this guy from 415 00:19:48,850 --> 00:19:46,909 The Electric Company using with all of 416 00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:48,860 his high-tech equipment available using 417 00:19:54,639 --> 00:19:51,740 dowsing rods to find to find water and 418 00:19:56,889 --> 00:19:54,649 the electric line didn't even bother 419 00:19:58,990 --> 00:19:56,899 when we decided to douse for the 420 00:20:01,779 --> 00:19:59,000 electric line then we could find it our 421 00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:01,789 minds were were intent on it and then 422 00:20:05,409 --> 00:20:04,100 the water wasn't registering but when we 423 00:20:07,389 --> 00:20:05,419 were looking for that water light there 424 00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:07,399 it was it was an amazing day I really 425 00:20:11,139 --> 00:20:09,620 enjoyed that afternoon so now is there 426 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:11,149 is there a way that you can tell how 427 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:15,070 deep this water or real or the pipe is 428 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:18,250 yeah you use what we call bracketing 429 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:21,830 yeah and and here's where it begins to 430 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:25,340 sound really deep physical I mean a you 431 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:26,510 know way off the charts and everything 432 00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:29,210 else but you can actually stand on a 433 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:32,960 water source and you can say how deep is 434 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:34,630 this water source and you can ask the 435 00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:37,240 question is this water source more than 436 00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:40,240 ten feet deep and in my case the rods 437 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:41,740 will just sit there and they won't move 438 00:20:48,990 --> 00:20:44,590 and if I can say are they less than 10 439 00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:49,000 feet deep and the rods will move I can 440 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:51,910 say is it more than 5 feet deep and it 441 00:20:56,550 --> 00:20:54,850 by changing their up more than 5 less 442 00:20:59,070 --> 00:20:56,560 you know in less than 10 you can 443 00:21:02,220 --> 00:20:59,080 actually measure exactly how deep the 444 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:02,230 water is when I first heard about this I 445 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:04,330 didn't believe it so I went out to the 446 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:07,510 my my well and I didn't remember how 447 00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:10,630 deep the well was at all but I wanted to 448 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:13,560 know if I could figure it out so I 449 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:16,810 doused and I threw this bracketing how 450 00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:18,550 deep is it and how shallow is everything 451 00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:20,760 else I managed to come up with a number 452 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:23,350 it's a very specific number and I 453 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:26,770 brought that number in and we went back 454 00:21:31,890 --> 00:21:29,230 into the records of when the well 455 00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:31,900 company was there and on the bill it 456 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:34,600 said exactly how deep they had gone and 457 00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:38,260 I was within about a foot of it and that 458 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:41,230 that really that really got through to 459 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:41,610 me 460 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:43,810 apparently when we're doing this kind of 461 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:47,550 thing our bodies are aware of this but 462 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:50,470 they're aware of it at a level that is 463 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:52,690 below the level of our five senses and 464 00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:55,090 when we have these dowsing rods in our 465 00:22:00,540 --> 00:21:58,300 hand all of a sudden they be they show 466 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:00,550 us that we're feeling and experiencing 467 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,800 subtle energies that we're not even 468 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:05,440 aware of you know it's funny that you 469 00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:08,440 know you talk about the people with the 470 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:09,700 electric company with their own dowsing 471 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:11,620 rods because and I've talked about this 472 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:14,290 on the show before you know one day from 473 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:18,220 my office window I could see people from 474 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,740 the local Water Company looking for 475 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:22,720 buried pipe in my neighbor's yard and 476 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,460 they brought out all kinds of you know 477 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:27,280 metal detectors and other types of you 478 00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:28,630 know probably you know magnetic 479 00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:30,310 residents machines and things trying to 480 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:31,900 find this you know you could tell that 481 00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:33,940 they were struggling well then a guy got 482 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:35,080 it you know he got into the back of the 483 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:37,030 car brought out this box and brought out 484 00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:39,100 Elrod's and I knew exactly you know what 485 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:41,140 he was going to do and then pretty soon 486 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:42,610 you know he's walking back forth crossed 487 00:22:45,850 --> 00:22:44,290 with these Elrod's when they started 488 00:22:49,419 --> 00:22:45,860 crossing and 489 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:49,429 he you know did you know put a mark 490 00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:51,850 marker here and a marker there and 491 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:55,820 pretty soon he he had it exactly where 492 00:22:59,740 --> 00:22:58,010 this water pipe was and they dug and 493 00:23:02,980 --> 00:22:59,750 sure enough that's where it was so I 494 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:02,990 mean I was this you know III found it's 495 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,660 just very humorous myself because I mean 496 00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:06,880 here they had all this fancy equipment 497 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:09,860 yet they were able to bring out ill rods 498 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:12,170 and just almost immediately locate this 499 00:23:19,299 --> 00:23:15,530 bike well Jim we're going to have to go 500 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:19,309 to our break in just a few seconds so 501 00:23:24,250 --> 00:23:21,530 when we come back we'll bring aunt Kelly 502 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:24,260 into the conversation so you're 503 00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:26,540 listening to exploring the bizarre so 504 00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:29,540 stay tuned we'll be right back now back 505 00:23:35,049 --> 00:23:32,990 to exploring the bizarre with two of the 506 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:35,059 most electrifying researchers in the 507 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:38,450 Paranoid your hosts timothy beckoning 508 00:23:46,419 --> 00:23:44,510 and - yeah welcome back to exploring the 509 00:23:48,909 --> 00:23:46,429 bizarre and we're off to a great start 510 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:48,919 here Tim and I tell you you know I have 511 00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:53,330 been fascinated by dowsing oh gosh I 512 00:23:57,610 --> 00:23:55,280 mean for just years and years and and 513 00:23:59,799 --> 00:23:57,620 what's really interesting to me is all 514 00:24:03,490 --> 00:23:59,809 the different kinds of devices that 515 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:03,500 people can use to douse you know like 516 00:24:07,450 --> 00:24:05,450 the Elrod's like Jim was talking about 517 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:07,460 you know the traditional fork stick I 518 00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:11,140 mean there are people who use pliers 519 00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:13,880 pendulums you know little things called 520 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:18,559 doodle bugs and and and now I mean we're 521 00:24:26,530 --> 00:24:23,110 getting into like radionics and 522 00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:26,540 psychotronics like that our guest and 523 00:24:34,169 --> 00:24:29,030 Kelly is going to talk about well you 524 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:34,179 know this is rated radionics and i know 525 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:38,270 eid knows about the hieronymus machine 526 00:24:44,890 --> 00:24:41,990 now i used to listen when i was a kid 527 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:44,900 and later on i was on the show long john 528 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:48,320 Nebel mm-hmm had a program that was on 529 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:50,510 nightly six days a week seven days a 530 00:24:55,090 --> 00:24:52,250 week actually from midnight till five 531 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:55,100 o'clock in the morning and he had on 532 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,050 some of the strangest guests possible 533 00:25:02,919 --> 00:24:59,360 and he used to have on 534 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:02,929 Joseph Campbell was a regular now Joseph 535 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:06,049 Campbell was editor and maybe you can 536 00:25:12,419 --> 00:25:08,590 help me out here was a galaxy magazine 537 00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:12,429 boy he put me on the spot here Tim 538 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:15,040 Digest magazine and it was mainly a 539 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:18,290 science fiction so I often wondered well 540 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:21,770 why was he so fascinated with the 541 00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:23,750 hieronymus machine what which seemed 542 00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:25,670 really quirky yet to me I mean you could 543 00:25:32,909 --> 00:25:29,240 put somebody's hair or toenail or 544 00:25:36,610 --> 00:25:32,919 fingernail or something like that in the 545 00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:36,620 on top of the other machine and it will 546 00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:39,740 tell you about the health of the person 547 00:25:45,549 --> 00:25:43,580 whose specimen you have now maybe if you 548 00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,559 have DNA today you can tell some of the 549 00:25:49,659 --> 00:25:47,600 same things but we're talking about well 550 00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:49,669 maybe it is their DNA maybe it was the 551 00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:52,940 same connection but that always seemed 552 00:25:59,560 --> 00:25:56,360 rather rather peculiar to me and I need 553 00:26:01,780 --> 00:25:59,570 an explanation but you know I want to 554 00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:01,790 mention that we have a program coming up 555 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:04,190 is it next week at Tim where David 556 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:06,290 Huggins is going to be on the show no 557 00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:09,530 it's going to be March 22nd March 22nd 558 00:26:19,299 --> 00:26:15,380 ok anyway on the yet 23rd of February 559 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:19,309 are a long time a friend Carla Anderson 560 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:22,490 who was a previous co-host of a prior 561 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:28,010 program is well she runs a hair salon 562 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:31,850 called balance which is located at 253 563 00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:35,000 second street in Jersey City in New 564 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:37,280 Jersey very easy to get to 565 00:26:46,299 --> 00:26:40,910 well the decor and the design of the 566 00:26:49,659 --> 00:26:46,309 hair salon is very specific it is of a 567 00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:49,669 mother ship in fact I do believe at one 568 00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:52,070 point she was doing crop circle haircuts 569 00:27:00,700 --> 00:26:57,049 mm-hmm anyway on the 23rd Carla will 570 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,710 have a special screening and a art 571 00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,200 gallery display by david huggins now 572 00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:06,559 what makes David so unusual in this 573 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:09,230 world of extraterrestrials that David 574 00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:12,830 claims at the age of 17 he lost his 4 575 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:16,340 gennadiy to an extraterrestrial and ever 576 00:27:22,289 --> 00:27:18,380 since then up until a couple of years 577 00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:22,299 ago he has been having sexual relations 578 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:28,940 with one or more alien women females 579 00:27:35,049 --> 00:27:30,250 let's put it that way 580 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:35,059 whoo-hoo he meets when the the wall to 581 00:27:42,669 --> 00:27:38,110 his apartment opens and he is able to 582 00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:42,679 enter into another dimension now I know 583 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:44,659 this all sounds very peculiar very 584 00:27:51,399 --> 00:27:47,450 bizarre and totally off-the-wall 585 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:51,409 and I agree I certainly are skeptical 586 00:27:55,389 --> 00:27:53,450 about some of the things that we discuss 587 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:55,399 and this would be one of them but David 588 00:28:01,960 --> 00:27:58,850 is a fascinating individual and Paula 589 00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:01,970 Harris who has credentials has written a 590 00:28:10,269 --> 00:28:05,630 book about David's experiences and there 591 00:28:14,970 --> 00:28:10,279 is a movie called love and saucers which 592 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:14,980 will be screened on the 20-year third at 593 00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:18,049 balance at 8 o'clock and again the 594 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:23,120 address there is 369 I'm sorry 353 595 00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:26,840 second Street in Jersey City and you can 596 00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:29,299 meet David at David in person you can 597 00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:33,919 see his paintings which are very 598 00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:36,980 spectacular and certainly bizarre even 599 00:28:43,779 --> 00:28:39,590 by our standards and you will be able to 600 00:28:45,370 --> 00:28:43,789 see the movie no charge or for any of it 601 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:45,380 but you might want to make an 602 00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:46,730 appointment to get your hair done at 603 00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:50,120 some point in the in the any in the 604 00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:52,190 future because it certainly is a time 605 00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,360 warp it balance so I will be there I 606 00:29:04,029 --> 00:29:00,080 mean I show up at very few public places 607 00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:04,039 but I'm not going to miss being it that 608 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:06,230 Carlos because she always puts on a 609 00:29:14,830 --> 00:29:10,370 great great event and and David this 610 00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:14,840 certainly is a masterful artist and and 611 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:17,840 creator of the unknown so I just want to 612 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:20,690 let people know about this and hope to 613 00:29:26,770 --> 00:29:24,039 see you there anyway Adam why don't you 614 00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:26,780 carry on with the conversation and maybe 615 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:29,150 get ed to talk a little about radionics 616 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:32,450 well sure well and thanks again for 617 00:29:38,409 --> 00:29:34,850 being with us tonight on exploring the 618 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:38,419 bazaars so just what is what is 619 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:41,330 radionics what is radionics that's 620 00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:42,470 always a great question 621 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:45,799 yes all right good way start beyond the 622 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:49,130 show Tim and Timothy and Jim I was I was 623 00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:51,049 so fascinated to listen to what you were 624 00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:53,240 saying because if you could have seen me 625 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:54,230 through the phone here I was just 626 00:30:00,520 --> 00:29:58,010 nodding along there is no radionics 627 00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:00,530 without dowsing and the fact of the 628 00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:02,630 matter is that you know just going about 629 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:05,390 daily life you will more often find me 630 00:30:10,539 --> 00:30:07,250 with a pendulum in my pocket than with 631 00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:10,549 my hands on a radius like these they 632 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:13,940 both are they really are looking at the 633 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:16,520 exact same phenomena but with different 634 00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:20,510 octaves of activity whereas with a with 635 00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:24,020 dowsing you're participating directly in 636 00:30:28,899 --> 00:30:26,900 the subtle energy fields using that 637 00:30:30,909 --> 00:30:28,909 focused intent to zoom in and gather 638 00:30:32,919 --> 00:30:30,919 information about things in the future 639 00:30:35,169 --> 00:30:32,929 things in the past or things right in 640 00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:35,179 the present and anything from physical 641 00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:37,900 things like a river under the ground to 642 00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:40,700 ideas and intentions how to pursue and 643 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:42,830 how to stay out of trouble and find 644 00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:46,070 opportunity with radionics the big 645 00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:49,190 difference there is a radionics 646 00:30:52,659 --> 00:30:51,470 instrument the way way we do it it's 647 00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:52,669 been around for a little over a hundred 648 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:55,190 years now first it's discovered by a 649 00:30:59,740 --> 00:30:57,890 medical doctor named Albert Abrams who 650 00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,750 was a professor on the staff at Stanford 651 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,039 University in California 652 00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:04,480 at the time that he first noticed that 653 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:08,600 he could he could find he could hold a 654 00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:10,730 wire literally hold a wire to the skin 655 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:13,700 of a student that was brought in and 656 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:17,360 then behind a screen have a nurse lower 657 00:31:21,789 --> 00:31:19,190 the other end of that wire into samples 658 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:21,799 of different types of disease tissue and 659 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,190 then buy in those days you know the 660 00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:26,720 percussive thing that they still do to 661 00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:28,100 this day where they kind of hop on your 662 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:30,350 on your belly to see whether your liver 663 00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:32,230 is healthy and that's everything that 664 00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:34,520 was a bigger part of the diagnosis 665 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:36,830 process in those days and he found that 666 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:40,020 that he would detect the 667 00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:43,320 the response of a cancer or other 668 00:31:47,270 --> 00:31:45,960 disease on the skin of the student even 669 00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:47,280 though the tissue was at the other end 670 00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:50,280 of a wire and luckily he was 671 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:51,750 independently wealthy and could afford 672 00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:54,510 to have the very first grade ionic 673 00:32:00,770 --> 00:31:57,870 instruments built to plunge into that 674 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:00,780 world a lot deeper and where we come 675 00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:03,270 from that KRT Kelley research 676 00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,280 technologies we're really students of 677 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:07,440 the hieronymus school which hieronymus 678 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,440 is most famous in the radionics circles 679 00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:12,000 for being the only person in the united 680 00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:14,460 states to be issued a patent for a 681 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:17,940 Radeon against riman in 1949 and in the 682 00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:20,250 early 50s he had a long dialogue through 683 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:22,020 the mail with joseph campbell the 684 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:25,650 publisher and author and at that time it 685 00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:28,730 was a you know almost very early 686 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:31,740 crowdsourcing of discussion as joseph 687 00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:34,440 campbell published the plans and the the 688 00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,120 schematic so that all the engineers out 689 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:38,760 there could build their own instruments 690 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:39,690 and then they could have a big 691 00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:42,210 discussion or a number of years to 692 00:32:50,530 --> 00:32:46,920 follow and my father had discovered 693 00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:50,540 radionics in the early 1970s and then 694 00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:53,160 actually met hieronymus it was an old 695 00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:56,190 old man at this point in the early at 696 00:33:02,030 --> 00:32:58,740 the very first u.s. psychotronics 697 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:02,040 association meeting in 1974 and my 698 00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,090 father had been building his own 699 00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:06,000 instruments for his own amusement and 700 00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:08,400 none for those of his friends in his own 701 00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:11,070 research and then by 1978 we were 702 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:14,280 getting calls from total strangers and 703 00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:16,890 so it was never we never intended to be 704 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,230 in the radionics business but it this 705 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,240 year is actually our 40th anniversary of 706 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:23,700 selling that first instrument to it to a 707 00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:25,950 stranger Wow and the way it's done now 708 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:30,110 is the they're really they really are 709 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:33,840 low powered am radios with a series of 710 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,450 coils and variable plate capacitors 711 00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,360 which is the same old-school tuning 712 00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:41,880 devices that you would find in a any pre 713 00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:43,470 digital radio whether that was the car 714 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,700 or Wi-Fi set and as you tune those radio 715 00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,679 as you tune those little tuners on the 716 00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:52,320 inside they spontaneously resonate as 717 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:53,520 they come into resonance 718 00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:57,090 with either an idea that the operator is 719 00:34:02,510 --> 00:33:59,610 focusing on or just the natural subtle 720 00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:02,520 energy field emanations that are picked 721 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,110 up in the sample well which are sort of 722 00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:05,940 sort of like a pickup coil for the radio 723 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:08,940 and the magical part really the only 724 00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:11,100 magical part of it is the ante where you 725 00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:13,710 can make a broadcast over unlimited 726 00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:16,470 existence in time back to the the 727 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:18,360 farmer's field or back to your cat in 728 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:20,370 South Carolina or wherever you want to 729 00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:24,720 go well now that soon I'm sorry you 730 00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,300 haven't finished it finish your sentence 731 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:28,800 well that was that's really it so that 732 00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:30,600 you know on a practical basis what you 733 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,760 can do is you you can indeed put a 734 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:35,520 sample in the in the well and I think 735 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,290 you really hit on it I really do believe 736 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:39,300 I can't prove this in any way but I 737 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:41,730 really do believe it's the DNA that that 738 00:34:45,830 --> 00:34:43,470 captures the structure and captures that 739 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:45,840 inherent blueprint that says these are 740 00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:47,490 the vibratory patterns that ought to be 741 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:49,500 found in this you know whether it's a 742 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:52,710 feed corn or hair on an animal or even 743 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:54,810 just off of mineral you know something 744 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:57,330 that's not particularly organic and then 745 00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:59,160 we can tune in to known radio 746 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:01,980 frequencies or cold scan dowels 747 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:04,110 basically for unknown radio frequencies 748 00:35:10,610 --> 00:35:07,710 and then use a volume knob essentially 749 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:10,620 to make comparisons about which fields 750 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:12,770 are stronger which ones are weaker and 751 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:15,270 and so that we can then either take 752 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:17,250 action here in the physical realm the 753 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:19,230 physical octave you know like the farmer 754 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,510 might realize that the field is low in 755 00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:22,800 calcium and go out and spread some 756 00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:25,860 calcium or turn that amplifier on and 757 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:27,320 move it into the broadcast mode and 758 00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:30,390 broadcast the energy pattern for calcium 759 00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,030 back to the field directly and that's 760 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,460 really it's really there's a lot of 761 00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:37,200 mumbo-jumbo they get thrown gets thrown 762 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:39,060 around about the instruments but they 763 00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:41,210 really are just low-power - am radios 764 00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:43,590 initial hours operate in the shortwave 765 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:45,150 band and then you just have that match 766 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:47,610 you can set up that produces the scalar 767 00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:50,090 field to go back across across the ether 768 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:53,670 well okay now that's to be that one of 769 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:56,010 the interesting things and and and you 770 00:35:59,300 --> 00:35:57,720 know you you touched on this a little 771 00:36:01,760 --> 00:35:59,310 bit I mean a lot of people who are 772 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:01,770 familiar with radiata cuisines think of 773 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:04,530 them only as being used to 774 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:08,730 to diagnose and treat illnesses yet and 775 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:12,710 I know that Bob hieronymus or was was 776 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:16,350 really very interested in this but it 777 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:18,150 can also be they can also be used 778 00:36:26,090 --> 00:36:22,110 especially in agriculture in finding out 779 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,100 problems or even diagnosis and taking 780 00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,240 care of insect in infestations that's 781 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:32,460 absolutely true they really are you know 782 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,700 it's interesting our our client base is 783 00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,400 a mix it's pretty well split 50-50 784 00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:40,800 between commercial farmers who are 785 00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:44,400 looking to find ways to move forward 786 00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:46,680 usually in an organic environment you 787 00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:48,630 know where they don't don't want to use 788 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:51,600 kill asides and chemicals and then on 789 00:36:56,330 --> 00:36:53,490 the other side you have you know sort of 790 00:36:58,220 --> 00:36:56,340 the new-age spiritual that kind of 791 00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,230 exploration where they want to they want 792 00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:01,020 to do analysis of their animals but it's 793 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:02,700 the same with the farmers as well as 794 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,430 livestock guys you know I just I just 795 00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:08,160 did a workshop in Iowa this weekend 796 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:10,230 where we had two fellows that came all 797 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:14,160 the way from Australia you know sixty 798 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:16,050 thousand cherry trees that's why he was 799 00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:18,030 there was to see what he could do with 800 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:22,020 his cherry trees that's that's that 801 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:24,450 that's extremely fascinating and I have 802 00:37:29,570 --> 00:37:26,700 to tell you that when when I used to 803 00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:29,580 live in Indianapolis I used to go to a 804 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:32,820 chiropractor who who used a a radionics 805 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:36,390 machine and he had such a dad set you 806 00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,410 down at you know the chair and he had I 807 00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:42,480 don't know camera or what you would call 808 00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:44,340 them but basically just see a wires that 809 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:45,630 would wrap around your fingertips and 810 00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:49,650 then he would start adjusting the dials 811 00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:51,300 and then you you know he used a rub 812 00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,150 plate which you you can tell our 813 00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,980 audience when done with this anecdote 814 00:38:01,070 --> 00:37:58,260 what a red plate is and he could you 815 00:38:04,070 --> 00:38:01,080 know with that he could diagnose just 816 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:04,080 very quickly just what part of me was 817 00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:05,550 hurting why it was hurting and how to 818 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:06,540 take care of it 819 00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:09,090 now do you what do you do you ask it 820 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:12,540 questions or do you write it down and 821 00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:16,930 put it on the the the black box 822 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:19,099 there's a there's a couple of ways to 823 00:38:22,690 --> 00:38:19,970 approach it 824 00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:22,700 one way is there's all you know like 825 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,680 published worksheets that like there's a 826 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:27,760 soil and plant analysis sheet that has 827 00:38:33,849 --> 00:38:30,529 you know frequencies or radionics 828 00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:33,859 that are known to vibrate and resonate 829 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:36,380 with particular physical characteristics 830 00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,089 and then also just though like what you 831 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:40,640 think of elements offer off of the 832 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:42,529 chemical chart as far as you know again 833 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:45,049 calcium and ammonium and that sort of 834 00:38:47,170 --> 00:38:45,440 thing 835 00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:47,180 so that's one ways you could go through 836 00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:50,539 the sheet and take a reading of general 837 00:38:55,539 --> 00:38:52,849 vitality and say well here's the overall 838 00:38:58,690 --> 00:38:55,549 energetic strength of the of this plant 839 00:39:00,160 --> 00:38:58,700 or this field and now let's look at 840 00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:00,170 these things that we know should be a 841 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,900 part of every healthy plant and or 842 00:39:07,269 --> 00:39:05,599 animal same way and and if those things 843 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:07,279 that are low again we can take action 844 00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:10,450 either in the physical octave or by 845 00:39:15,759 --> 00:39:13,099 broadcasting some energy back through 846 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:15,769 the instrument well I I remember I 847 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:19,010 remember years ago I met a fellow by the 848 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:21,410 name of Cleve Backster are you familiar 849 00:39:30,339 --> 00:39:27,250 with his work he yeah well he hooked up 850 00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:30,349 lie detector polygraph machine to plants 851 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:33,920 and found out that they actually could 852 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:37,849 sustain pain and that if people were 853 00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:40,970 thinking negative about them in some 854 00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:44,769 cases they would even wilt over and die 855 00:39:51,299 --> 00:39:48,369 so I mean it seems that there is a 856 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:51,309 something in the etheric a here that 857 00:39:58,749 --> 00:39:53,930 promotes the use of something like this 858 00:40:00,240 --> 00:39:58,759 now is there anything that you could 859 00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:00,250 tell us that the hieronymus machine 860 00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:04,460 cannot do well the you know the 861 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:06,200 hieronymus instrument is is not a 862 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:08,210 diagnosis tool it really is not a 863 00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:10,910 replacement for modern medicine by a 864 00:40:16,359 --> 00:40:14,000 licensed professional so those are terms 865 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:16,369 as I I actually will you'd never hear me 866 00:40:20,799 --> 00:40:18,710 using like treat cure and diagnose we 867 00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:20,809 had two guys in suits made a very nice 868 00:40:26,019 --> 00:40:24,319 visit to us in their mid 80s and from 869 00:40:28,089 --> 00:40:26,029 the FDA and made it very plain that 870 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:28,099 those words belong to them and so that's 871 00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:30,530 fine we just always talk in terms 872 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:32,540 energy which is really what it is it's 873 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:34,730 subtle energy the subtle energy feels 874 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:37,010 related does the real thing is that you 875 00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:39,710 know even high school chemistry at that 876 00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:41,780 level they tell you well if that love at 877 00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:43,460 the atomic level or the subatomic level 878 00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:46,190 everything used energy and vibration and 879 00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:49,100 it's a particular frequency of that 880 00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:51,380 vibration that determines whether those 881 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:53,600 atoms appear to us as a banana or as a 882 00:40:59,830 --> 00:40:56,510 piece of wood or as the cat that's you 883 00:41:01,810 --> 00:40:59,840 know sitting in my lap here and so if we 884 00:41:03,610 --> 00:41:01,820 can just find those resonant frequencies 885 00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:03,620 to tune into those things we can gather 886 00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,620 that information and and then again make 887 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:08,960 that broadcast to increase that energy 888 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:11,450 cause it to resonate more strongly where 889 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:13,370 natural healing will occur on its own 890 00:41:17,410 --> 00:41:15,770 it's very Eastern in that regard and 891 00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:17,420 likewise if it's something that we want 892 00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:21,230 rid of like a past or a unhealthy least 893 00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:24,830 energy we can send a dissonant frequency 894 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:26,780 that's going to cause that to dissipate 895 00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:28,970 lower the strength of that energy but it 896 00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,390 really is all energy one thing you hit 897 00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:33,920 on though you know that's sort of the 898 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:37,310 real analytical way the real scientific 899 00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:39,050 approach to it there's also the whole 900 00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:41,000 school of just using your instrument 901 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:43,100 just like you hearing us you know we're 902 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:45,710 in our hometown we know what radio 903 00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:47,510 station we go to for the sports scores 904 00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:50,780 or the classical music or whatever it is 905 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:52,670 we're in the mood for but if we're in a 906 00:41:57,010 --> 00:41:54,020 strange town we just hunt through the 907 00:41:59,260 --> 00:41:57,020 dial and in the same way in the same way 908 00:42:01,180 --> 00:41:59,270 that that Jim was talking about you can 909 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:01,190 use your focused intent to lock onto a 910 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:05,330 particular pattern of resonance that has 911 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:06,890 isn't going to be on a worksheet or in 912 00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:08,330 the book you're just cold scanning 913 00:42:13,390 --> 00:42:11,540 through those dials to find a pattern of 914 00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:13,400 resonance with a new idea or something 915 00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:14,620 that you haven't been able to identify 916 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:18,680 well how many how many dials are on the 917 00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:22,370 box and is each box unique or are they 918 00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:25,640 constructed differently no they're all 919 00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,280 built the same they're all built on the 920 00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:31,040 basic her ominous tuning model which is 921 00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:34,040 a two dial system it's the predominant 922 00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,630 system in North America which is where 923 00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:36,800 you have a left-hand dial on the 924 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:38,420 right-hand dial and then you've got a 925 00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:41,690 volume knob to assess you know how much 926 00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:43,190 strength there is to a particular 927 00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,460 frequency 928 00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,560 a particular instrument might have more 929 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:49,020 more banks so that you can add more 930 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:51,330 frequences basically to build chords 931 00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:53,369 instead of just having one note you can 932 00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,320 build a whole symphony of information 933 00:43:00,920 --> 00:42:57,599 and make that broadcast together well 934 00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:00,930 would you say broadcast where where does 935 00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:04,320 this information appear is there a 936 00:43:10,339 --> 00:43:08,670 screen on the device or no it's and this 937 00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,349 is really where you do get into the 938 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:12,780 sensitivity of the operator because the 939 00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,670 interface is really the rub plate that 940 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:17,040 you mentioned the the rub plate or the 941 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:18,810 reaction plate which is actually the 942 00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:21,210 outgoing the output antenna for the 943 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:23,820 system at its very simplest level it's a 944 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:26,130 two wire loop of coil twisted in the 945 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:28,710 middle to turn it into a mobius coil at 946 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:31,619 the most complex like our fancier ones 947 00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:36,690 are based on Tesla's 1894 by four coil 948 00:43:41,810 --> 00:43:39,270 antenna patent that's where they're 949 00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,820 there you go yeah right yeah yeah that's 950 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:43,440 where that's where you get to the good 951 00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,050 stuff is when because really it was just 952 00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:48,540 a low low power one radio until you get 953 00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:50,820 to that antenna the core idea of it is 954 00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:53,339 it's a scalar antenna which means the 955 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:54,839 directional components you know you've 956 00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,730 got like all your energy workers will 957 00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:58,740 tell you that with clockwise motion 958 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:00,930 you're you're adding energy to a circuit 959 00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,510 or pushing energy into a being and then 960 00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:05,280 with counterclockwise you're releasing a 961 00:44:09,020 --> 00:44:07,140 pattern letting it go you know it's just 962 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:09,030 the same lefty-loosey righty-tighty and 963 00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,450 by having those two coils clockwise and 964 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,880 counterclockwise directly on top of each 965 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:16,710 other or directly adjacent to each other 966 00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:19,650 the directional components cancel out 967 00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:23,339 and leave only the energy and it's it's 968 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:25,830 my theory that the you know this 3d 969 00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,290 realm that we think of as reality 970 00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:30,480 doesn't know what to do with putting 971 00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:32,220 those clockwise and counterclockwise ohm 972 00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,070 and side-by-side and opens our portal 973 00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:37,500 back to the energetic realm from which 974 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:38,540 all things flow 975 00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,540 well what Tim now you you did a a book 976 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:44,940 which has been a ongoing bestseller The 977 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:47,130 Lost journals of Nikola Tesla did you 978 00:44:52,579 --> 00:44:49,290 find any thing is similar in your 979 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:52,589 research on Nikola oh yeah definitely 980 00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:54,570 but I mean this is the kind of research 981 00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:57,310 that took place you know after 982 00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:00,910 Tesla passed away you know using his 983 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:02,950 theories I mean some of the stuff that 984 00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:05,230 he was working on while he was still 985 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:08,200 alive was heading in that direction but 986 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:10,840 you have to remember that Tesla you know 987 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:13,330 he he was the type of guy that he would 988 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:15,310 get bored with something you know he 989 00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:18,250 would move on to you know his his next 990 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:20,470 big glove and you know leave that kind 991 00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:23,050 of a stuff behind but oh yeah definitely 992 00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:25,270 I mean you know the things that Tesla 993 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:27,940 was working on were then later taken by 994 00:45:33,060 --> 00:45:30,570 you know people like about Romulus and 995 00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:33,070 you know that they were the ones who 996 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:37,150 really ran with it absolutely that's 997 00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:39,910 that's exactly right well Tesla you 998 00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:41,590 don't have to go too deep into Tesla 999 00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,980 before you hear these ideas a wireless 1000 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:47,200 transmission of information and which of 1001 00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:49,660 course now they say he really was the 1002 00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:53,920 first one to to discover radio and nail 1003 00:45:59,760 --> 00:45:56,470 that down but also wireless transmission 1004 00:46:01,440 --> 00:45:59,770 of power and it was the scalar 1005 00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:01,450 relationships with that that's another 1006 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:03,640 term that he invented is the idea of a 1007 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:06,370 scalar broadcast that's a that's a Tesla 1008 00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:08,890 term and in growing so these are big 1009 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:10,870 he's the big Godfather of the whole 1010 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:15,510 thing well plus in the in the 1920s 1011 00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:19,450 Tesla worked with several different 1012 00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:27,540 companies creating machines that were 1013 00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:31,600 supposed to heal various ailments which 1014 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:33,190 you know may have been you know like 1015 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:37,170 some of the the the precursors of the 1016 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:40,150 modern day at radionics of course Tesla 1017 00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:41,290 also worked with you know like 1018 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:44,020 ultraviolet and infrared types of 1019 00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:45,910 machines as well so I mean some people 1020 00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:48,520 have gotten those mixed up with some of 1021 00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,100 these these other ideas that Tesla had 1022 00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:54,960 about various kinds of electromagnetic 1023 00:47:03,150 --> 00:46:59,020 radiations being able to resident 1024 00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:03,160 resonate with the human body and to heal 1025 00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:11,820 well they only they only listen to the 1026 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:13,720 first hour of the programs there you go 1027 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:17,290 well and we hear that voice getting 1028 00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,210 ready to come up here Tim so we need to 1029 00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:21,280 go to our top of the hour break and when 1030 00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:22,840 we come back we'll continue our 1031 00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:25,420 conversation about dowsing and radionics 1032 00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:36,660 [Music] 1033 00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:40,930 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 1034 00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:43,600 ride into the world of the paranoid 1035 00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:46,190 strap yourself the English as we 1036 00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:48,620 traverse the universe exploring the 1037 00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,340 unexplained UFO s ghosts Lost Worlds 1038 00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:56,720 cryptozoology waters as well as other 1039 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:00,560 dimensions it's time to take back the 1040 00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:05,690 night now your electrifying hosts of 1041 00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:08,870 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 1042 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:16,160 Tim Schwartz alright welcome back to the 1043 00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:18,050 second hour of exploring the bizarre I'm 1044 00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:20,270 Tim Schwarz and tonight we're talking 1045 00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:23,620 about dowsing and radionics and 1046 00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:26,150 everything hopefully everything that's 1047 00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:28,430 related to these subjects with our guest 1048 00:48:39,970 --> 00:48:32,780 Jim Willis and Edie Kelly and so Jim 1049 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:39,980 we'll ask you here now people when they 1050 00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:44,450 think of dowsing I think that probably a 1051 00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:47,240 lot of people think back to you know the 1052 00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,950 farmer walking across the field with the 1053 00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:52,160 forked a willow stick looking for water 1054 00:49:00,850 --> 00:48:58,220 but but really I mean there's MIDI knows 1055 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:00,860 what they're doing they can use just 1056 00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:05,450 about anything and and and look for just 1057 00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:08,480 about anything and answer just about 1058 00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:11,960 anything yeah I like to use the metaphor 1059 00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:18,080 of light we live in a range of light 1060 00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:20,540 where we see red orange yellow green 1061 00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:23,420 blue indigo and violet and we think that 1062 00:49:30,570 --> 00:49:27,200 is the color structure we have learned 1063 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:30,580 since we have all these high-tech 1064 00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:33,170 instruments and things like well like 1065 00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:35,480 like like what ed is doing and Dean 1066 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:38,630 Raiden's work at the noetic Institute in 1067 00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,850 California and the Monroe Institute up 1068 00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,760 here in our neck of the woods what we've 1069 00:49:46,220 --> 00:49:45,440 learned of course through all the 1070 00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:46,230 scientific 1071 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:49,990 procedures is that the little narrow 1072 00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:53,530 band of light that we see goes way on up 1073 00:50:01,140 --> 00:49:57,550 and way on down we're just not aware of 1074 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:01,150 it now that light registers on us we 1075 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:04,150 just aren't our five senses have evolved 1076 00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:08,290 in this particular climate this most of 1077 00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:10,420 this particular landscape our five 1078 00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:12,940 senses have evolved and they've to do 1079 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:14,380 something that they do very well and 1080 00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:17,410 that's to help us relate to the world as 1081 00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:19,960 it appears around us what science is 1082 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:21,580 showing us now especially in the terms 1083 00:50:27,450 --> 00:50:24,490 of quantum reality is that we are living 1084 00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:27,460 what what we think is real is really an 1085 00:50:33,150 --> 00:50:31,150 illusion and what the the narrowband 1086 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:33,160 that we experience and are able to 1087 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:35,770 identify is a very narrow band of 1088 00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:39,880 reality what dowsing does is open up 1089 00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:42,940 that whole band and show us that there's 1090 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:44,500 a whole lot more going on that our 1091 00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:47,110 bodies are aware of but over the long 1092 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:49,420 course of our evolution our senses have 1093 00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:53,140 started to filter those out just take 1094 00:50:59,700 --> 00:50:55,990 for instance an electroencephalogram 1095 00:51:02,100 --> 00:50:59,710 everybody knows about the EEG s we know 1096 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,110 that in the everyday world in which we 1097 00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,240 live in the beta range and you'll have 1098 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:05,920 to kind of make sure I've done the right 1099 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:07,420 thing here 1100 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,490 in in the beta range we show those kinds 1101 00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,040 of figures our brains are acting the 1102 00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:18,160 beta range of 12 to 30 Hertz if we go to 1103 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:20,830 a meditative state we move into what 1104 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:22,870 they call the Alpha range the low 1105 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:25,570 frequency band which is 7.5 to 12 Hertz 1106 00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:28,810 and if we go even deeper than that and 1107 00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:30,040 to what some people call the 1108 00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:32,380 transcendental experience the experience 1109 00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:33,790 of the mystic the experience of the 1110 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:35,470 out-of-body traveler and everything else 1111 00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:38,050 now we're into the theta range where our 1112 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:41,920 BR our brains are actually dealing with 1113 00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:43,570 four to seven Hertz from putting out 1114 00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:46,900 that kind of range and in deep sleep and 1115 00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:49,060 in some psychic healers they will beam 1116 00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:51,820 into the Delta the Delta range the super 1117 00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:55,030 low frequencies below that now are we 1118 00:52:02,160 --> 00:51:57,700 aware of all those ranges of 1119 00:52:05,069 --> 00:52:02,170 of a ways no not unless we measure them 1120 00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:05,079 in our lives we just have any no use for 1121 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:08,049 them into in a practical experience it's 1122 00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:10,690 only when we begin to move out of that 1123 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:12,430 and move into these different states 1124 00:52:18,539 --> 00:52:16,210 that we can begin to really dig into 1125 00:52:22,289 --> 00:52:18,549 feeling what's going around us and where 1126 00:52:24,809 --> 00:52:22,299 I've I've often said I this may be a 1127 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:24,819 little hard to say I don't mean to be at 1128 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:26,650 all negative here but I've often said I 1129 00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:29,410 just can't wait to die because all of a 1130 00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:31,089 sudden I will be freed from those five 1131 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:33,220 senses and I've had a few experiences as 1132 00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:35,410 well quite a few experiences of being 1133 00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:38,260 able to experience reality outside of 1134 00:52:43,859 --> 00:52:40,750 the range of those five senses and it's 1135 00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:43,869 such a bigger world of reality out there 1136 00:52:48,809 --> 00:52:46,329 my wife Barb refers to what this narrow 1137 00:52:51,809 --> 00:52:48,819 range here is our perception realm this 1138 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:51,819 is what we perceive on the outside of 1139 00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:54,460 that perception realm there is a huge 1140 00:52:58,259 --> 00:52:56,740 world of reality out there and that's 1141 00:53:00,960 --> 00:52:58,269 the world of reality I think that we're 1142 00:53:04,499 --> 00:53:00,970 talking about now well you know to me 1143 00:53:08,579 --> 00:53:04,509 that only makes sense because think 1144 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:08,589 about it I mean we have our senses that 1145 00:53:16,349 --> 00:53:12,250 I mean they they evolved for us to live 1146 00:53:18,299 --> 00:53:16,359 in this physical world you know to to to 1147 00:53:20,609 --> 00:53:18,309 watch out for that tiger hiding behind 1148 00:53:24,059 --> 00:53:20,619 that bush that's going to possibly eat 1149 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:24,069 us and if we actually did become aware 1150 00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:27,730 of everything else that's around us I 1151 00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:29,230 mean they would probably drive us crazy 1152 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:31,900 I was going to say we probably go mad 1153 00:53:37,499 --> 00:53:34,210 we really would and so in that sense we 1154 00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:37,509 can't say that the I often in the 1155 00:53:41,609 --> 00:53:39,220 passive referred to the senses as our 1156 00:53:43,769 --> 00:53:41,619 prison and we have to break out of the 1157 00:53:45,029 --> 00:53:43,779 prison of the five senses but I just 1158 00:53:47,759 --> 00:53:45,039 don't like to talk about it in those 1159 00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:47,769 terms anymore I think more they are a 1160 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:49,720 blessing rather than a curse I think 1161 00:53:58,019 --> 00:53:52,450 they literally keep us from going from 1162 00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,029 going mad one of the if I don't want to 1163 00:54:04,710 --> 00:53:59,920 dominate too much here but one of the 1164 00:54:07,019 --> 00:54:04,720 great great ideas in quantum reality is 1165 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:07,029 Hugh Everett's idea which you came with 1166 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:10,690 back in the 50s called the mini world 1167 00:54:16,989 --> 00:54:13,729 the many-worlds thesis of the many you 1168 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:16,999 know multi the universe of mega the mega 1169 00:54:23,289 --> 00:54:19,130 verse and all that kind of thing when 1170 00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:23,299 when Hugh talked about this he talked 1171 00:54:27,729 --> 00:54:25,430 about he tried to talk about person 1172 00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:27,739 making a decision and we would make a 1173 00:54:32,049 --> 00:54:29,630 decision and he said when we make that 1174 00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:32,059 decision the world splits both 1175 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:34,700 possibilities actually come into being 1176 00:54:41,410 --> 00:54:38,450 and now we have two of us living in two 1177 00:54:44,019 --> 00:54:41,420 parallel worlds and each one thinks that 1178 00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:44,029 they're alone and the only one who can 1179 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:45,380 see them is the person who had the 1180 00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:47,210 original thought but then those two 1181 00:54:51,339 --> 00:54:49,670 people make a measurement or make a 1182 00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:51,349 choice and now all of a sudden we have 1183 00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:54,049 four of us living in four separate 1184 00:54:57,219 --> 00:54:55,849 worlds each thinking were alone and then 1185 00:55:02,559 --> 00:54:57,229 it goes on to eight and then it goes on 1186 00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,569 to sixteen if we were aware of quantum 1187 00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:05,599 physics talk about the collapsing energy 1188 00:55:10,839 --> 00:55:08,359 the energy that Ed was talking about it 1189 00:55:12,609 --> 00:55:10,849 collapses into various forms that like 1190 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:12,619 Mike had said so beautifully it may 1191 00:55:17,709 --> 00:55:14,930 collapse into the form of a banana into 1192 00:55:20,739 --> 00:55:17,719 the form of a cat if we were aware of 1193 00:55:23,979 --> 00:55:20,749 all of the potential coming out of what 1194 00:55:25,779 --> 00:55:23,989 Ervin Laszlo calls the Akashic field and 1195 00:55:27,789 --> 00:55:25,789 the field of potentiality if we were 1196 00:55:30,609 --> 00:55:27,799 aware of all that we would probably 1197 00:55:32,589 --> 00:55:30,619 literally go mad so we have to be 1198 00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:32,599 careful we have to learn how to swim in 1199 00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:34,910 these waters but when we do in the 101 1200 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:38,960 writing time one one man whose life was 1201 00:55:46,209 --> 00:55:42,529 greatly affected by this is the late 1202 00:55:49,809 --> 00:55:46,219 science fiction arthur philip k dick in 1203 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:49,819 fact we did a book that's been out for I 1204 00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:52,609 guess a month or so now he believes 1205 00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:55,099 believe that we were actually living in 1206 00:56:02,410 --> 00:55:59,839 a in the matrix and that at any one time 1207 00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:02,420 we could actually be residing in a 1208 00:56:10,059 --> 00:56:06,369 multitude of dimensions and in other 1209 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:10,069 levels of reality and and he even had 1210 00:56:14,769 --> 00:56:12,650 incidences where he claims that Tim 1211 00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:14,779 Wright that he he had met and spoken 1212 00:56:21,609 --> 00:56:18,640 with with aliens but even more so he 1213 00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:21,619 remembered eggs but exactly specific 1214 00:56:26,590 --> 00:56:24,020 lifetimes that he had lived or 1215 00:56:29,290 --> 00:56:26,600 living simultaneously where he knew 1216 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:29,300 where he knew even the the language of 1217 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:33,410 the that period even those supposedly he 1218 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:35,450 could have not known it I mean he wasn't 1219 00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:38,170 educated in though he was not 1220 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:42,350 linguistically you know it trained in 1221 00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:47,690 any way in he was a remarkable man in 1222 00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:50,840 that way and of course people especially 1223 00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:54,380 in the science fiction community totally 1224 00:57:01,170 --> 00:56:57,260 who pood his theories and his ideas 1225 00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:01,180 which they do to a very large extent 1226 00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:05,120 with anybody who comes up with any new 1227 00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:06,950 concept that's why I'm kind of 1228 00:57:13,210 --> 00:57:08,710 astonished that the Joseph Campbell 1229 00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,220 would put so much stock in in you know 1230 00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:16,640 rainy onyx and in dowsing because if you 1231 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:19,660 take the history of the science fiction 1232 00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:22,730 fandom in this country they all follow 1233 00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:25,430 their and their masters and leaders by 1234 00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:28,220 like arthur c clarke and isaac asimov 1235 00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:32,120 who you know it just say that all of 1236 00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:34,300 this is a total fraud in a total of 1237 00:57:41,470 --> 00:57:38,510 fallacy yeah and i know III don't think 1238 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:41,480 it's the the science fiction people now 1239 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:43,130 who were really talking about this as 1240 00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:44,810 much as it is the scientists i mean 1241 00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:47,150 we're talking about real scientists I 1242 00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:48,950 was dealing with these ideas in a very 1243 00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:52,880 real way and to a certain extent yeah 1244 00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:54,920 they're getting they're having to pay 1245 00:57:58,990 --> 00:57:57,110 the price of being the first but it's 1246 00:58:01,630 --> 00:57:59,000 pretty fantastic the words of the 1247 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:01,640 Prophet come now not from not from the 1248 00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:04,490 mystic but from the halls of science now 1249 00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,350 yeah I totally agree it's it's so 1250 00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:09,440 amazing to have ideas like quantum 1251 00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:11,240 entanglement on the headlines with major 1252 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:16,220 newspapers yeah you know it's funny 1253 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:19,130 Jim I love that idea and what you were 1254 00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:21,290 saying before Jim it if there's infinite 1255 00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:24,260 realms of infinite possibility and where 1256 00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:26,180 we are here in this mobile meat box is 1257 00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,350 nothing but a matrix of illusion then it 1258 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:32,000 really is goes back to that you know 1259 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:33,410 when you go to the film version there 1260 00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:37,370 really is no spoon you really can 1261 00:58:43,210 --> 00:58:39,860 a fest almost anything if you can really 1262 00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:43,220 tap in at that level and even though I 1263 00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:45,830 agree where I think this narrow 1264 00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:48,380 bandwidth helps us keep our bearings 1265 00:58:53,710 --> 00:58:50,540 within this realm each and every one of 1266 00:58:56,350 --> 00:58:53,720 us has that god-given ability to go into 1267 00:58:59,320 --> 00:58:56,360 a state of prayer or a wish 1268 00:59:02,140 --> 00:58:59,330 or you know even in the popular books 1269 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,150 recently like the secret what the bleep 1270 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:04,160 are we doing you know that all of those 1271 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:07,010 they're all that same elephant of being 1272 00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:10,570 able to manifest a reality out of those 1273 00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:13,280 infinite possibilities to go where we 1274 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:15,710 wanted to which if you take it one step 1275 00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,650 further actually leads to a purpose we 1276 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:21,200 ask the question why are we here what is 1277 00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:26,210 our purpose and perhaps our purpose is 1278 00:59:33,610 --> 00:59:30,710 to experience literally everything and 1279 00:59:35,590 --> 00:59:33,620 to have a physical experience of 1280 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:35,600 virtually everything that can happen in 1281 00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:38,810 which case the multiverse makes perfect 1282 00:59:41,830 --> 00:59:39,200 sense 1283 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:41,840 and someday when we're done with this 1284 00:59:46,510 --> 00:59:43,850 life we take all of this experience that 1285 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:46,520 we've accumulated and we return to the 1286 00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:47,090 source 1287 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:49,310 and when we do having experienced all 1288 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:51,050 these different lives having experienced 1289 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:52,970 all these different things that happen 1290 01:00:01,740 --> 00:59:57,290 to us we are literally understanding 1291 01:00:05,470 --> 01:00:01,750 what it is to be not only one but also 1292 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:05,480 individuality within that one because 1293 01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:07,370 the only way to experience individuality 1294 01:00:14,170 --> 01:00:10,880 is to be in effect separate from the 1295 01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:14,180 source cut off from the source and so we 1296 01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,420 feel cut off from the source but as we 1297 01:00:21,340 --> 01:00:20,000 begin to douses we'll begin to to 1298 01:00:23,590 --> 01:00:21,350 meditate as we begin to learn these 1299 01:00:25,210 --> 01:00:23,600 things we begin to understand that we 1300 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:25,220 are not really cut off from the source 1301 01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:28,490 we really are one I guess we're getting 1302 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:31,190 a little bit of physical here but it's 1303 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:32,690 alright that's an offensive ating 1304 01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:35,990 concept all right well now care now 1305 01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:39,260 here's a question and both gentlemen 1306 01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:41,180 both of you can can answer this if you 1307 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:43,160 have any knowledge at it but as has 1308 01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:46,730 anybody actually ever tried using the 1309 01:00:53,339 --> 01:00:49,660 radionics or dowsing 1310 01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:53,349 to detect some of these you know other 1311 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:55,480 other universes other realities 1312 01:00:59,359 --> 01:00:57,130 especially those that are you know 1313 01:01:05,819 --> 01:00:59,369 probably parallel our is fairly close 1314 01:01:08,579 --> 01:01:05,829 Tim every day every day I have a spirit 1315 01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:08,589 guide who I found through through 1316 01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:12,940 dowsing and it affects my dowsing rods 1317 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:14,950 by when I hold them out they don't cross 1318 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:19,390 he they both turned to the right it was 1319 01:01:25,339 --> 01:01:22,240 just absolutely amazing to me to be able 1320 01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:25,349 to realize that there is a real entity 1321 01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:28,000 of being that I probably can't 1322 01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:31,750 understand who is in a separate 1323 01:01:39,150 --> 01:01:34,270 dimension who is just as anxious to 1324 01:01:42,180 --> 01:01:39,160 contact me as I am to contact him and uh 1325 01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:42,190 has he has he identified himself yes 1326 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:45,630 yeah when I started having out-of-body 1327 01:01:51,690 --> 01:01:48,970 experiences I gradually through a long 1328 01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:51,700 time and using my dowsing rods yes-or-no 1329 01:02:01,200 --> 01:01:56,950 questions I have a name simply will not 1330 01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:01,210 go away and the name is su buco I don't 1331 01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,500 think that's his name and I don't think 1332 01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:03,760 I don't know what I look like but it's 1333 01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:05,529 the name that I have to use because it's 1334 01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:07,420 the name that somehow expresses itself 1335 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:09,400 I'd like to say I know what he looks 1336 01:02:15,420 --> 01:02:12,250 like but I probably don't because when 1337 01:02:17,490 --> 01:02:15,430 you go out of body you you come back and 1338 01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:17,500 your mind has to explain it so your mind 1339 01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:19,150 jumps through your rolodex of 1340 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:22,630 experiences and picks something that is 1341 01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:25,750 close so I can't say this is what it is 1342 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:27,720 all I can say is this is what it is like 1343 01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:33,130 but this presence has been so real in my 1344 01:02:41,059 --> 01:02:35,109 life that the book I'm working right now 1345 01:02:44,609 --> 01:02:41,069 is called Cebu ko and me it's a story of 1346 01:02:48,660 --> 01:02:44,619 contact through in in the Akashic field 1347 01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:48,670 through extra dimension now in a way I 1348 01:02:52,049 --> 01:02:50,529 used to hate to talk about this kind of 1349 01:02:55,799 --> 01:02:52,059 thing because people immediately think 1350 01:02:59,700 --> 01:02:55,809 you're crazy but I am a rational left 1351 01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,710 brain a scientific rational thinker and 1352 01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:00,960 I have 1353 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:03,270 discover this relatively late in my life 1354 01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:05,609 and I simply can't keep keep quiet about 1355 01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:08,339 it because I'm absolutely convinced if 1356 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:11,670 the collective mind of humankind can 1357 01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:13,650 move outside of our own narrow little 1358 01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:15,990 band and begin to see the possibilities 1359 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:17,339 out there I think it could really change 1360 01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:20,490 the way we live on this earth well you 1361 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:23,640 know a friendship authored by the Miami 1362 01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:26,130 Amy Michelle I wrote a book many many 1363 01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:28,320 years ago it was called I believe in 1364 01:03:32,839 --> 01:03:29,700 flying saucers in the straight-line 1365 01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:32,849 mystery and he talked about these energy 1366 01:03:37,339 --> 01:03:35,220 points many of which were at a a total 1367 01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:37,349 straight line and there were a lot of 1368 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:40,380 UFO sightings and contacts taking a 1369 01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,970 place along these ley lines mm-hmm yeah 1370 01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:49,680 I don't I don't doubt it the energies 1371 01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:53,099 that are there are when we had talked 1372 01:03:58,700 --> 01:03:54,900 about entanglement the energies that are 1373 01:04:01,099 --> 01:03:58,710 there are moving through our dimension 1374 01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:01,109 but they also exist on other dimensions 1375 01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,480 now we found I think just within the 1376 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:05,760 last year we have found one of the 1377 01:04:09,550 --> 01:04:07,650 barriers that separates us from another 1378 01:04:12,859 --> 01:04:09,560 dimension and called the Higgs field 1379 01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:12,869 energy passes through the Higgs field 1380 01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:16,830 and takes on mass so to speak it's 1381 01:04:22,579 --> 01:04:19,020 almost as if we have discovered one of 1382 01:04:25,630 --> 01:04:22,589 the the defenses so to speak that fence 1383 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:25,640 us in in our particular material world 1384 01:04:29,089 --> 01:04:27,570 what's on the other side of the egg 1385 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:29,099 field well we don't know where does the 1386 01:04:33,050 --> 01:04:30,570 energy come from we don't know where 1387 01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:33,060 does it go we don't know but it's there 1388 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:36,540 and I think we're just beginning to see 1389 01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:38,730 the the how this is all going to affect 1390 01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:43,140 us damn you you and I are gonna have to 1391 01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:44,760 go out on tour together after this is 1392 01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:48,480 over because let's do it I mean 1393 01:04:52,339 --> 01:04:50,220 everything you're saying it's just so 1394 01:04:54,109 --> 01:04:52,349 perfectly complimentary and you know I 1395 01:04:57,740 --> 01:04:54,119 can offer an example from the radionics 1396 01:04:59,359 --> 01:04:57,750 side that like he was talking about 1397 01:05:00,829 --> 01:04:59,369 being able to reach across through those 1398 01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:00,839 dimensions and communicate with an 1399 01:05:05,810 --> 01:05:03,780 actual conscious being and share wisdom 1400 01:05:07,609 --> 01:05:05,820 the knowledge back and forth and then 1401 01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:07,619 kind of in a whole nother angle but 1402 01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:12,720 still equally crossing those boundaries 1403 01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:14,220 was like something again 1404 01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:16,230 doing that we do on a regular basis 1405 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:19,590 which is the idea that that time is a 1406 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:22,650 singularity and is not a linear thing at 1407 01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:25,050 all and only system linear form in mist 1408 01:05:32,839 --> 01:05:28,680 of this you know 3d realm yeah so it's 1409 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:32,849 often the case that you know a pattern 1410 01:05:37,849 --> 01:05:35,130 of information that plagues somebody as 1411 01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:37,859 far as how they feel in this life might 1412 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:39,420 actually be because of something that 1413 01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:42,090 happened some kind of terrible trauma to 1414 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:45,920 an ancestor way back in time or a 1415 01:05:51,220 --> 01:05:48,570 descendant out forward in time and so 1416 01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:51,230 that sometimes the broadcast needs to be 1417 01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,390 directed backwards or you know what we 1418 01:05:59,060 --> 01:05:56,400 think a society's rewards but in fact 1419 01:06:01,400 --> 01:05:59,070 it's all one and all reflections of the 1420 01:06:04,220 --> 01:06:01,410 exact same creature is why your 1421 01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:04,230 grandfather yeah isn't that isn't it 1422 01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:06,300 fascinating that that it's the quantum 1423 01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:08,070 physicists who are now starting to say 1424 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:10,859 that time can move backwards and a 1425 01:06:16,099 --> 01:06:13,770 future a future can affect the past I 1426 01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:16,109 think that's that's a tremendous insight 1427 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:23,310 and I really do okay now how would you 1428 01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:24,690 how would you go how would you even 1429 01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:27,390 detect something like that I mean it can 1430 01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,200 be confusing enough trying to determine 1431 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:33,180 what's going on in the present but then 1432 01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:35,369 when you're starting to get into the 1433 01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:38,280 whole idea that that time is this kind 1434 01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,910 of an internal now I they'd you know 1435 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:43,740 you've got then you've got influences 1436 01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:45,089 right you know like you said coming from 1437 01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,310 the you know the the past and future and 1438 01:06:51,530 --> 01:06:48,900 then from you know possibly you know 1439 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:51,540 parallel realities as well I mean how 1440 01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:54,720 can you weed that all out you know it's 1441 01:06:59,690 --> 01:06:57,000 not an accident that Einstein referred 1442 01:07:01,550 --> 01:06:59,700 to the time-space continuum time and 1443 01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:01,560 space are our space literally our 1444 01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:05,220 material world they are very much 1445 01:07:10,579 --> 01:07:08,030 connected and when we move out of this 1446 01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:10,589 material world in let's say in 1447 01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:12,990 meditation or contacting through dowsing 1448 01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:19,920 or some of the other psychic phenomena 1449 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:21,990 that is being studied now when we move 1450 01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:23,490 out of there all of a sudden we enter 1451 01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,310 into strange realities that I think that 1452 01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:27,839 people have been doing this for as long 1453 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:28,590 as there have been 1454 01:07:33,620 --> 01:07:30,810 people but they describe it in different 1455 01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:33,630 ways and it depends on their culture for 1456 01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:37,740 instance the the in in Ireland they 1457 01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:42,630 might see leprechauns in Native American 1458 01:07:46,580 --> 01:07:44,700 cultures they might see different kinds 1459 01:07:49,850 --> 01:07:46,590 of beings or they might say fairies or 1460 01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:49,860 they might or perhaps even a lot of what 1461 01:07:57,350 --> 01:07:53,240 we talk about in terms of a space alien 1462 01:07:58,700 --> 01:07:57,360 in influence could that be that what we 1463 01:08:02,780 --> 01:07:58,710 are really detecting and what we 1464 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:02,790 consider alien contact with us is really 1465 01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:03,930 not through nuts-and-bolts spaceships 1466 01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,240 but through literally extra dimensional 1467 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:11,760 beings that are real they're just as 1468 01:08:15,260 --> 01:08:13,650 real as less and probably were to go 1469 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:15,270 over there and you were to talk to them 1470 01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:16,530 and say do you know that those people 1471 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:18,750 back where I came from are real entities 1472 01:08:23,210 --> 01:08:20,250 they probably think you were crazy too 1473 01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:23,220 because we all have the idea that we are 1474 01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:25,859 living in our own little bubble and our 1475 01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:27,870 own little bubble is all that there is I 1476 01:08:34,060 --> 01:08:29,940 just don't think that's that's that's 1477 01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:34,070 the way it is at all I agree completely 1478 01:08:39,290 --> 01:08:37,080 I've always believed that the there's 1479 01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,300 yeah that it's not a spacecraft flying 1480 01:08:43,190 --> 01:08:42,000 across the light years but it's I think 1481 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:43,200 the vast majority of our 1482 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:46,530 transdimensional grand unifying theory 1483 01:08:57,980 --> 01:08:55,050 of everything from squats without Edie 1484 01:08:59,180 --> 01:08:57,990 you know talking about UFOs because you 1485 01:09:02,900 --> 01:08:59,190 know that's that's always a favorite 1486 01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:02,910 subject with a Tim Beck Lee and myself I 1487 01:09:08,540 --> 01:09:05,370 mean has anybody attempted to use you 1488 01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:08,550 know like a radionics device to delve 1489 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:14,190 into that mystery you know usually what 1490 01:09:18,610 --> 01:09:16,050 you see most often is people trying to 1491 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:18,620 create a 1492 01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:22,650 interaction or a visitation by pumping 1493 01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:24,990 you know the the thing that sets an 1494 01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:26,940 instrument apart radionics from apart 1495 01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:29,339 from just a simple making a wish or 1496 01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:31,230 saying or prayer we you know we turn 1497 01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:34,560 that focused intent back in on an idea 1498 01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:36,750 and we send this little bolt of energy 1499 01:09:41,390 --> 01:09:39,600 out but then you know like I you know 1500 01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:41,400 I'm only as five seconds into it before 1501 01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:42,420 my mind 1502 01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:44,100 softer what we're adding for lunch or 1503 01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,500 yeah whatever else I've got to do in the 1504 01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:48,480 day but the instrument you could find a 1505 01:09:53,270 --> 01:09:51,390 resonant frequency that that sings with 1506 01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,280 that idea and then turn on the amplifier 1507 01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:55,920 and then it acts as a repeating station 1508 01:10:01,190 --> 01:09:57,630 all day long while you do other things 1509 01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,200 and so people will set up and it's a 1510 01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:04,080 funny thing you imagine the UFOs the 1511 01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:06,110 very first printing of my father's book 1512 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:08,550 the one that ended up that's why the 1513 01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:10,890 guys from the FDA came to see because in 1514 01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:13,620 a sigh of a day he had put creek urine 1515 01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:16,230 diagnose all through that book and once 1516 01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,700 we got those words out of there they 1517 01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:20,340 were fine but that very first book did 1518 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:23,940 have a rate or a radio frequency to call 1519 01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:25,770 UFOs that's how I was labeled in the 1520 01:10:31,610 --> 01:10:29,910 book I was I was fascinated with that 1521 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:31,620 idea you know growing up in a household 1522 01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:33,090 like this I thought the coolest thing 1523 01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:35,190 ever would be to go for a ride in you 1524 01:10:40,340 --> 01:10:38,400 know spacecraft and so one day without 1525 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:40,350 without them really knowing about it I 1526 01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:41,880 kind of an instrument to play with as a 1527 01:10:48,380 --> 01:10:44,190 teenager and I had had it set to that 1528 01:10:50,210 --> 01:10:48,390 rate call UFOs and a few days into it my 1529 01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:50,220 dad happened to be right there and he 1530 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,900 said hey what we call UFOs rate all 1531 01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:56,400 right and I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you 1532 01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:57,480 here and we'll leave this at a 1533 01:11:00,560 --> 01:10:58,890 cliffhanger because we have to go to our 1534 01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:00,570 break we'll be right back and we'll 1535 01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:03,270 continue UFO story in just a few minutes 1536 01:11:20,380 --> 01:11:17,800 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1537 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:20,390 two of the most electrifying researchers 1538 01:11:29,170 --> 01:11:23,690 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1539 01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:29,180 Lee and Taylor Swift's all right before 1540 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:31,190 he went to our break and Kelly was 1541 01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:34,210 telling us a story about his attempt to 1542 01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:38,000 look for a UFO so Edie want to continue 1543 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:41,060 that story for us yes so there I was I 1544 01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,250 was a teenager at the time and I found 1545 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:45,520 this this rate in the right book for 1546 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:50,330 call UFOs and so I have had that set on 1547 01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:52,489 one of the instruments and happened to 1548 01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,230 be in the office there at the same time 1549 01:11:57,850 --> 01:11:56,000 as my dad and he asked what I had said 1550 01:11:59,260 --> 01:11:57,860 on the instrument and I told him oh it's 1551 01:12:02,740 --> 01:11:59,270 that call you have rose rate I want to 1552 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:02,750 go for a ride and the color drained out 1553 01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,810 of his face in such a way that I hadn't 1554 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:08,000 never seen I've never seen in the whole 1555 01:12:13,780 --> 01:12:10,489 rest of my my years with him I've never 1556 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:13,790 seen just a pure reaction of really he 1557 01:12:18,010 --> 01:12:16,370 look horrified and he reached right over 1558 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:18,020 and shut it off and said don't ever do 1559 01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:18,650 that again 1560 01:12:24,939 --> 01:12:23,180 and I you know I really was quite taken 1561 01:12:28,689 --> 01:12:24,949 aback I had never seen anything like 1562 01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:28,699 that and the funny thing is that rate 1563 01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:31,550 disappeared before it ever got to the 1564 01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:33,020 second praying you know it's just a 1565 01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:34,310 little test run right at the beginning 1566 01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:36,710 it was completely gone from the book and 1567 01:12:40,209 --> 01:12:38,420 of course I wasn't paying that close 1568 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:40,219 attention at the time I thought it's in 1569 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:42,770 the book so I don't know what that rate 1570 01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,690 is I really don't know colds again for a 1571 01:12:48,939 --> 01:12:46,880 new one but I don't know what that rate 1572 01:12:51,490 --> 01:12:48,949 was and I'd love to have a few minutes 1573 01:12:53,530 --> 01:12:51,500 he's gone now but I'd give anything to 1574 01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:53,540 have a few minutes with him about where 1575 01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:56,840 that rate came from and why he looked so 1576 01:13:01,000 --> 01:12:59,030 frightened but I'll tell you after he 1577 01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:01,010 passed away my sister Erin who's my 1578 01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:04,070 partner in the business she told me 1579 01:13:07,630 --> 01:13:05,600 revealed something I had never realized 1580 01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:07,640 or heard before which he said she never 1581 01:13:12,490 --> 01:13:09,380 turned the lights off he slept with the 1582 01:13:13,870 --> 01:13:12,500 lights on every night of week and I 1583 01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:13,880 think it I really believe it had 1584 01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:16,280 something to do with whatever that UFO 1585 01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:19,160 rate was all about we work with a we 1586 01:13:23,810 --> 01:13:21,900 work with a fellow for many years 1587 01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:23,820 he lived in the Santa Barbara California 1588 01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:26,880 bill Cox he was the editor of the 1589 01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:30,060 pyramid guide and he traveled all over 1590 01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,760 the world with his dowsing rods and met 1591 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:38,000 with really some spectacular people 1592 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:41,970 people who had some really uncanny 1593 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:44,850 abilities in fact there were contactees 1594 01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:48,570 that he was became friends with and they 1595 01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:51,270 had the ability to actually disappear in 1596 01:13:56,420 --> 01:13:54,540 front of people's eyes and in the book 1597 01:13:58,130 --> 01:13:56,430 in the book I think it's called the 1598 01:14:01,070 --> 01:13:58,140 pyramid speaks that we reprinted 1599 01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:01,080 recently there are actual photographs of 1600 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:04,590 these individuals now some of them 1601 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:06,690 actually claim that they were you know 1602 01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:11,130 part extraterrestrial but they did have 1603 01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:15,750 the uncanny ability to 2d materialize 1604 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:20,100 and then materialize once again and and 1605 01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:22,410 he was a you know perfectly sincere and 1606 01:14:29,540 --> 01:14:27,030 honest person and he he did a lot of 1607 01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:29,550 research on this that was probably the 1608 01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,320 first person that I knew that was 1609 01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:33,600 involved in dowsing 1610 01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:35,670 isn't there a UH a National dowsing 1611 01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:38,030 organization is that in New Hampshire 1612 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:41,490 where mom well the that's where the 1613 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:43,050 headquarters that the American dowsing 1614 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:45,690 Association is also there's of course 1615 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:48,570 the British dowsers our our British 1616 01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,090 dowsing Association is a huge 1617 01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:53,520 organization of dowsers as well matter 1618 01:15:00,760 --> 01:14:57,600 of fact that's where a mentor who I'm 1619 01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,770 who I never met Amos Miller the great 1620 01:15:05,870 --> 01:15:02,960 beloved British dowser 1621 01:15:07,940 --> 01:15:05,880 was very active in the British Housing 1622 01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:07,950 Association I didn't get a chance to 1623 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:10,500 meet Hamish but I was invited to go to 1624 01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:12,690 Cornwall a couple of years ago and give 1625 01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,550 a talk to the parallel community which 1626 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:17,520 Hamish Miller started and I gave a talk 1627 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:20,370 on the basis of the basics of world 1628 01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:22,890 religions and while I was there I had 1629 01:15:28,510 --> 01:15:25,260 quite a chance to spend some time with 1630 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:28,520 Bob Miller who was Hamish his wife and 1631 01:15:33,170 --> 01:15:31,530 wonderful wonderful lady who used to 1632 01:15:34,850 --> 01:15:33,180 tell me about how Hamish used to come 1633 01:15:37,310 --> 01:15:34,860 back so frustrated sometimes 1634 01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,320 throw the dowsing rods in the corner and 1635 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:39,900 everything else so even the even the 1636 01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:42,330 best of us seems to have have tough days 1637 01:15:48,230 --> 01:15:45,960 but it was that there are some wonderful 1638 01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:48,240 dowsing organizations and of course the 1639 01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:49,800 American dowsing Association whether 1640 01:15:55,070 --> 01:15:53,280 that I belong to is the one of the best 1641 01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:55,080 around here I mean certainly the the 1642 01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:59,100 biggest of this country now Jim during 1643 01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:01,140 one of our breaks yeah we were talking 1644 01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:05,550 about using a dowsing to you know like 1645 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:07,620 look into haunted houses and play in 1646 01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:10,050 places like that you said that you had a 1647 01:16:15,230 --> 01:16:11,820 story or some stories that you could 1648 01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:15,240 tell us yeah I had had an experience and 1649 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:16,440 quite frankly I don't even know how to 1650 01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:19,370 hold how to handle it but I had a 1651 01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:22,980 neighbor call me up one day and she said 1652 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:24,150 can I come over and talk to you and I 1653 01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:25,890 said sure so she came over and she said 1654 01:16:31,580 --> 01:16:29,520 my son and his door his wife and their 1655 01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:31,590 young child are living at our house 1656 01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:34,710 right now because they are convinced 1657 01:16:39,260 --> 01:16:36,450 that their house where they were living 1658 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:39,270 was haunted and I said well what makes 1659 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:41,010 them think that and I'm thinking oh boy 1660 01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:42,570 here we go you know that kind of thing 1661 01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:45,030 and she said well there were noises and 1662 01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:46,440 there were things happening and there 1663 01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:48,510 were they just didn't feel that the the 1664 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:49,800 energy there was right and they were 1665 01:16:55,190 --> 01:16:52,170 frankly afraid with their little child 1666 01:16:57,980 --> 01:16:55,200 so they came over here and I said well 1667 01:16:59,720 --> 01:16:57,990 tell me where the house is and can you 1668 01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,730 give me an address and so she did and I 1669 01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:01,860 googled it and found out where it was 1670 01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,380 and I said can you draw me a picture of 1671 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:06,960 the house my inside just a rough diagram 1672 01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:09,570 at the inside of the house and she run 1673 01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,600 it over and I saw where it was on the 1674 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:13,920 computer and I was looking at her 1675 01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:16,050 picture in dowsing it and I was getting 1676 01:17:21,140 --> 01:17:19,650 all kinds of strange readings I had 1677 01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:21,150 never done anything like this before I 1678 01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,310 read about it but I I didn't know quite 1679 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:25,920 what to make of it so I said can we go 1680 01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:29,010 there and she said sure so my wife and 1681 01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:30,840 my neighbor and I went over there on a 1682 01:17:36,650 --> 01:17:33,780 Saturday morning and there was this 1683 01:17:38,540 --> 01:17:36,660 house look perfectly normal house and as 1684 01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:38,550 I walked around it with my dowsing rods 1685 01:17:46,410 --> 01:17:41,520 I discovered that there were two very 1686 01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:46,420 strong energy lines that meant in a 1687 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:48,790 that crossed right there now whatever 1688 01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:50,530 that happens with energy lines you 1689 01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:53,100 usually wind up with a huge vortex of 1690 01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:57,520 energy but a very energetic space so I 1691 01:18:01,920 --> 01:17:58,960 knew that something was going on in the 1692 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:01,930 house and we went on inside and by 1693 01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:04,090 asking questions is somebody here and 1694 01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:05,830 looking through the rooms and and 1695 01:18:11,340 --> 01:18:07,780 dowsing and finding out where the energy 1696 01:18:13,170 --> 01:18:11,350 is over the course of asking many many 1697 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:13,180 questions and really intending it all we 1698 01:18:18,420 --> 01:18:16,570 discovered that there were two presences 1699 01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:18,430 in the house which we just simply could 1700 01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:20,440 not understand one of them was female 1701 01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:24,820 and one of them was male and by talking 1702 01:18:29,540 --> 01:18:27,880 to them a very tragic story came out and 1703 01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:29,550 again this is only a matter of 1704 01:18:34,410 --> 01:18:32,190 questioning it's a long involved process 1705 01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:34,420 are you here 1706 01:18:39,330 --> 01:18:37,230 are we in touch with you is this real 1707 01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:39,340 can you tell us your story 1708 01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,980 when did you live it turned out through 1709 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:43,600 this long period of questioning that 1710 01:18:50,970 --> 01:18:47,530 there was a white woman who lived in 1711 01:18:54,420 --> 01:18:50,980 this house and she had an affair with a 1712 01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:54,430 black man back in the old days of Jim 1713 01:19:02,100 --> 01:18:58,810 Crow and it was found out and the black 1714 01:19:04,410 --> 01:19:02,110 man was actually well he was one of the 1715 01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:04,420 last black people to be owned in this 1716 01:19:11,550 --> 01:19:08,470 particular place and since their death 1717 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:11,560 in this vortex the two have come 1718 01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:15,850 together and we're very happy for the 1719 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:19,360 first time so what are we gonna do like 1720 01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:21,490 The Exorcist and cast them out no of 1721 01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:24,780 course not music you're happy yeah okay 1722 01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:26,980 knock yourself out just don't break the 1723 01:19:32,220 --> 01:19:28,300 furniture you know that kind of thing 1724 01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:32,230 and we have since been able to verify 1725 01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:35,440 this story historically it's it's just 1726 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:39,760 amazing to me and yet why is it that we 1727 01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:41,730 have such a hard time believing that our 1728 01:19:49,020 --> 01:19:45,310 our souls our essence which have which 1729 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:49,030 are simply manifestations of energy why 1730 01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,170 is it that they can't leave an energetic 1731 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:55,120 trace an energetic trail in a particular 1732 01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:57,010 place that is very meaningful to them 1733 01:20:02,110 --> 01:19:59,090 and apparently in this vortex 1734 01:20:09,190 --> 01:20:02,120 where these two lines cross it is it was 1735 01:20:11,770 --> 01:20:09,200 a very comfortable place for them I I 1736 01:20:13,570 --> 01:20:11,780 almost you know like I say he almost 1737 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:13,580 hesitate to tell to tell these stories 1738 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:17,690 to people because for much of my life I 1739 01:20:23,410 --> 01:20:19,130 wouldn't have ever believed any of this 1740 01:20:25,870 --> 01:20:23,420 stuff and yet I've seen too many things 1741 01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:25,880 down to realize that there's a lot going 1742 01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:27,950 on out there that we just don't know may 1743 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:30,560 I have a I have a friend I've known for 1744 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:34,610 years and she she works and has worked 1745 01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:36,410 for a number of different police 1746 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:39,920 departments over the year years finding 1747 01:20:45,580 --> 01:20:42,650 missing people bodies 1748 01:20:47,950 --> 01:20:45,590 you know like tossed tossed guns things 1749 01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:47,960 like that and the her technique is that 1750 01:20:53,650 --> 01:20:50,840 she will take a map like a physical map 1751 01:20:55,810 --> 01:20:53,660 and she will move her finger over the 1752 01:20:59,160 --> 01:20:55,820 map and with her other hand with her 1753 01:21:03,280 --> 01:20:59,170 right hand she will rub the table and 1754 01:21:04,810 --> 01:21:03,290 okay most most of this is very common 1755 01:21:05,890 --> 01:21:04,820 most police departments use these all 1756 01:21:08,380 --> 01:21:05,900 the time they just don't tell people 1757 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:08,390 right they don't want to fix their 1758 01:21:11,860 --> 01:21:10,250 funding I suppose most people we use a 1759 01:21:12,940 --> 01:21:11,870 pendulum but they'll do the same thing 1760 01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:12,950 that rubbed their finger over them 1761 01:21:17,290 --> 01:21:14,840 happened watch where the pendulum works 1762 01:21:19,330 --> 01:21:17,300 she's she had times she will use the 1763 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:19,340 pendulum as well but she says that a lot 1764 01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:20,570 of times that she will get a better 1765 01:21:25,630 --> 01:21:23,210 reeling a better reading if you know 1766 01:21:27,130 --> 01:21:25,640 from the stick method and and you know 1767 01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:27,140 she just uses her fingers on the table 1768 01:21:31,810 --> 01:21:30,190 you know and she's been very very 1769 01:21:33,670 --> 01:21:31,820 successful at it 1770 01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,680 but you know you were talking about the 1771 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:35,600 the crisscross you know the vortexes 1772 01:21:40,780 --> 01:21:39,050 over this house and I was reading a book 1773 01:21:44,590 --> 01:21:40,790 years ago that we're talking about a lot 1774 01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,600 of the megaliths sites especially in 1775 01:21:50,620 --> 01:21:47,120 England and how a lot of those have not 1776 01:21:53,020 --> 01:21:50,630 just you know like two of these energy 1777 01:21:55,150 --> 01:21:53,030 lines crossing underneath them but you 1778 01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:55,160 know like multiple ones yeah and and 1779 01:21:58,780 --> 01:21:56,570 practically every one of the you know 1780 01:22:02,350 --> 01:21:58,790 the the major Magel this had like you 1781 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:02,360 know numerous vortex lines yeah and as 1782 01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:04,850 you cross onto them I've had a chance 1783 01:22:07,290 --> 01:22:06,230 that I was a few when I was over in 1784 01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:07,300 England when 1785 01:22:11,130 --> 01:22:08,770 cross onto them for instance the merry 1786 01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:11,140 maidens and in Cornwall was a very 1787 01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:14,260 famous site you will find an Eightfold 1788 01:22:19,860 --> 01:22:17,740 grid that goes in a circle around this 1789 01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:19,870 and you will find eight definite energy 1790 01:22:25,530 --> 01:22:22,390 lines one flowing clockwise the next 1791 01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:25,540 counterclockwise and clockwise and so on 1792 01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:26,920 and there are only a couple of inches 1793 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:29,320 apart and it almost seems as if this 1794 01:22:35,610 --> 01:22:32,890 grid like turns on so to speak the the 1795 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:35,620 site and we didn't know anything about 1796 01:22:39,810 --> 01:22:37,630 this when my wife and I built our 1797 01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:39,820 medicine wheel here in South Carolina 1798 01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,750 and we wanted a pathway around it and so 1799 01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:45,280 I didn't know anything about dowsing at 1800 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:47,350 the time but we built this medicine 1801 01:22:52,770 --> 01:22:49,450 wheel and it just we just did what felt 1802 01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:52,780 right and lo and behold when I learned 1803 01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:54,340 to dowse and when I began to do more 1804 01:23:02,040 --> 01:22:56,290 dowsing down there we discovered that 1805 01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:02,050 somehow we had been either led by some 1806 01:23:05,790 --> 01:23:04,360 spiritual force or forced by this the 1807 01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:05,800 energy in nature itself 1808 01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:08,680 to replicate this and we found that 1809 01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:11,080 Eightfold grid on our medicine wheel and 1810 01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,380 we found many different lines going out 1811 01:23:18,930 --> 01:23:16,960 from it and I've doused some of those 1812 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:18,940 lines with a compass and dowsing rods 1813 01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:22,810 out as much as a mile or two and and 1814 01:23:31,170 --> 01:23:26,760 find ancient stone piles or find ancient 1815 01:23:33,690 --> 01:23:31,180 rock places of you know tools or 1816 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:33,700 something like that on these lines so I 1817 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:35,890 think our ancestors were very much in 1818 01:23:41,130 --> 01:23:37,690 tune with this I think we've allowed 1819 01:23:44,210 --> 01:23:41,140 their abilities to atrophy so we need to 1820 01:23:46,860 --> 01:23:44,220 use dowsing rods and high-tech machines 1821 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:46,870 where they would just be following 1822 01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:49,690 instinct and I think this is something 1823 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:51,760 that in the human race we have we have 1824 01:23:56,430 --> 01:23:54,610 lost this ability and maybe it's 1825 01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,440 beginning to be born again I'm hoping so 1826 01:24:02,310 --> 01:23:57,960 in our generation 1827 01:24:05,610 --> 01:24:02,320 well now okay edie or something for 1828 01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:05,620 somebody who is say listening to this 1829 01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:07,420 program and hey you know is now 1830 01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,300 interested in learning about radionics 1831 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:13,120 and maybe you know taking it up what 1832 01:24:16,020 --> 01:24:14,410 would you what what's your 1833 01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:16,030 recommendations you know what would you 1834 01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:18,040 say to somebody who you know has never 1835 01:24:20,130 --> 01:24:19,840 done anything like this before how to 1836 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:20,140 get 1837 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:23,770 started there's there's a couple really 1838 01:24:31,290 --> 01:24:27,370 great pathways one there's a book by a 1839 01:24:33,780 --> 01:24:31,300 guy named Duncan Lori called radionics 1840 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:33,790 the secret art and Duncan banette guy 1841 01:24:38,220 --> 01:24:36,130 because he's a fine artist in the terms 1842 01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:38,230 of like sculptor painter kind of guy and 1843 01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:40,960 his whole book which covers the history 1844 01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:42,670 of radionics it goes to abraham's 1845 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:45,460 bharata --mess the europeans like Ruth 1846 01:24:50,490 --> 01:24:48,370 Brown it covers all of those topics in 1847 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:50,500 the way of not an engineer and not a 1848 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:52,510 mole physicist but in that fine artists 1849 01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:54,610 approach so that's a great introduction 1850 01:25:00,240 --> 01:24:58,330 to the history of the field there's a 1851 01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:00,250 radionics Facebook group where there's 1852 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:02,500 lively discussion from with people using 1853 01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:04,810 all kinds of instruments all over from 1854 01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:06,670 all around the world very old 1855 01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:08,230 instruments to people that are making 1856 01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:11,680 their own stuff to this day for very you 1857 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:13,630 know very inexpensively so that's a 1858 01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:17,170 great community hub certainly the u.s. 1859 01:25:22,650 --> 01:25:19,120 psychotronics association is still going 1860 01:25:24,450 --> 01:25:22,660 strong that group was mainly founded by 1861 01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:24,460 a group of radiomics guys but they 1862 01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:26,770 wanted to make a bigger umbrella make a 1863 01:25:34,530 --> 01:25:30,310 bigger tent to also cover the other 1864 01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:34,540 paranormal and mind matter phenomena 1865 01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:36,670 such as psychic abilities and so on and 1866 01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:39,070 the USBA is interesting because they 1867 01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:41,350 really are focused on what's the science 1868 01:25:46,050 --> 01:25:43,510 how does this work 1869 01:25:48,930 --> 01:25:46,060 if you go to our own website at Kelly 1870 01:25:51,180 --> 01:25:48,940 Research techcom there's a ebooks page a 1871 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:51,190 ebooks link if you go to the bottom 1872 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:53,370 there's a whole bunch of free ebooks 1873 01:26:00,420 --> 01:25:56,530 historical volumes and then like our own 1874 01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:00,430 book which really even laid lays out not 1875 01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:02,260 only the theories and techniques but 1876 01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:05,230 really step-by-step literally if you 1877 01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:07,000 bought or use one of these instruments 1878 01:26:11,370 --> 01:26:09,310 how you would set the dials when to 1879 01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:11,380 throw the switch how to do the testing 1880 01:26:16,590 --> 01:26:14,710 in a very basic level so that the you 1881 01:26:19,070 --> 01:26:16,600 know to take as much as the whoohoo out 1882 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:19,080 of it and make it into a practical tool 1883 01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:21,690 so those are some great starting places 1884 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:24,700 psychotronics org is the USBA they have 1885 01:26:28,260 --> 01:26:26,650 a meeting once a year this will be their 1886 01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:28,270 fortieth meeting that mister couples in 1887 01:26:33,729 --> 01:26:31,660 74 but this will be their 40th annual 1888 01:26:35,770 --> 01:26:33,739 meeting and then 1889 01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:35,780 probably the Facebook group and then 1890 01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:37,340 Duncan Laurie's group those are great 1891 01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:39,710 interactions and you can always come to 1892 01:26:43,870 --> 01:26:41,210 a workshop you know put your hands right 1893 01:26:45,549 --> 01:26:43,880 on an instrument and see for yourself if 1894 01:26:47,229 --> 01:26:45,559 you get that reaction you know that 1895 01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:47,239 stick that he was you were talking about 1896 01:26:53,049 --> 01:26:49,820 on the tabletop all we're doing is 1897 01:26:55,299 --> 01:26:53,059 boosting that electronically to make 1898 01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:55,309 that signal easier to find for somebody 1899 01:26:59,939 --> 01:26:57,050 who's maybe just getting in touch with 1900 01:27:03,129 --> 01:26:59,949 those those gifts for the first time and 1901 01:27:05,709 --> 01:27:03,139 it's funny if you don't mind my thing so 1902 01:27:08,109 --> 01:27:05,719 it's it's a part that has always for 1903 01:27:10,810 --> 01:27:08,119 decades was a one of the worst elements 1904 01:27:12,729 --> 01:27:10,820 of talking about radionics with you know 1905 01:27:14,290 --> 01:27:12,739 the mainstream world because you had 1906 01:27:15,549 --> 01:27:14,300 this like okay so you're gonna rub on a 1907 01:27:17,890 --> 01:27:15,559 plate and it's gonna tell you secrets 1908 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:17,900 and it sounds crazy just like you were 1909 01:27:22,839 --> 01:27:20,690 saying Jim but it turns out there really 1910 01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:22,849 was four years after the Rodimus patent 1911 01:27:27,279 --> 01:27:25,190 hieronymus described how to build a 1912 01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:27,289 plate and how to use it but he couldn't 1913 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:30,110 explain why it worked and four years 1914 01:27:33,580 --> 01:27:31,730 later an engineer named maca root 1915 01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,590 published in the journal science you 1916 01:27:37,930 --> 01:27:34,880 know the one of the most prestigious 1917 01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:37,940 scientific journals and explanation of 1918 01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:39,980 how that works and it really is just as 1919 01:27:45,009 --> 01:27:42,230 simple if you have an insulating surface 1920 01:27:47,739 --> 01:27:45,019 and then you have a either an ultrasonic 1921 01:27:50,379 --> 01:27:47,749 or an electrical field on the other side 1922 01:27:53,229 --> 01:27:50,389 of that surface that we as bioelectric 1923 01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:53,239 creatures can sense the changing 1924 01:27:59,859 --> 01:27:56,570 strength of that field and the it's the 1925 01:28:02,439 --> 01:27:59,869 exact same technology that gave us gives 1926 01:28:03,790 --> 01:28:02,449 us our capacitance touchscreen cell 1927 01:28:05,919 --> 01:28:03,800 phones that we all have in our pockets 1928 01:28:08,379 --> 01:28:05,929 these days where in that case the 1929 01:28:10,029 --> 01:28:08,389 computer senses that you have changed 1930 01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:10,039 the capacitance by introducing your 1931 01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:12,289 bioelectric field but with the 1932 01:28:16,299 --> 01:28:14,210 instrument it's the opposite the signal 1933 01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:16,309 changes as you turn the dials and then 1934 01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:17,900 it's up to you to detect that change 1935 01:28:22,959 --> 01:28:20,960 that you sense as a stick or a tingle or 1936 01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:22,969 some people even actually hear it as a 1937 01:28:29,259 --> 01:28:25,249 this high-pitched change in the in the 1938 01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:29,269 static okay and Jim now what about 1939 01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:31,489 somebody who'd be interested in getting 1940 01:28:35,919 --> 01:28:34,400 started in in dowsing that you know has 1941 01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:35,929 never done it before 1942 01:28:42,580 --> 01:28:38,480 maybe he's listening to the program what 1943 01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:42,590 would you tell them first of all get on 1944 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:44,449 your computer and look for the American 1945 01:28:47,290 --> 01:28:46,249 Society of Dodgers website they've got 1946 01:28:49,210 --> 01:28:47,300 all kinds of 1947 01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:49,220 helps and they tell you about where to 1948 01:28:52,930 --> 01:28:51,080 find people in your area that might be 1949 01:28:55,150 --> 01:28:52,940 able to help and about meetings and 1950 01:28:57,100 --> 01:28:55,160 conference calls and that kind of thing 1951 01:29:00,190 --> 01:28:57,110 and they answer a lot of questions they 1952 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:00,200 have a lot of articles there and also if 1953 01:29:06,330 --> 01:29:03,650 you want to see a basic video of it if 1954 01:29:10,420 --> 01:29:06,340 you go to my website Jim Willis dotnet 1955 01:29:12,820 --> 01:29:10,430 and one of the one of the things there I 1956 01:29:14,410 --> 01:29:12,830 think it's about us or one of those 1957 01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:14,420 books or something I'm not sure which 1958 01:29:21,610 --> 01:29:18,560 category it is has a YouTube video that 1959 01:29:23,410 --> 01:29:21,620 I did at the American Society of Dodgers 1960 01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:23,420 last June it's about an hour and a half 1961 01:29:28,660 --> 01:29:25,730 long and it talks about some of the same 1962 01:29:32,650 --> 01:29:28,670 things we talked about today but it's a 1963 01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:32,660 video that'll get you started and I you 1964 01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:34,990 you can't go wrong the other thing is 1965 01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:37,520 the book that I just published had 1966 01:29:42,580 --> 01:29:39,490 published a couple of months ago 1967 01:29:45,820 --> 01:29:42,590 supernatural God's spiritual mysteries 1968 01:29:49,810 --> 01:29:45,830 psychic experiences and scientific 1969 01:29:53,140 --> 01:29:49,820 truths it's published by visible link 1970 01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,150 press you can find it on Amazon if you 1971 01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:55,040 just look Jim well as supernatural gods 1972 01:29:59,650 --> 01:29:56,480 you'll get a whole bunch of websites 1973 01:30:01,630 --> 01:29:59,660 that places that sell it and all that 1974 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:01,640 kind of thing and there are some 1975 01:30:06,940 --> 01:30:04,010 chapters in there about dowsing and 1976 01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:06,950 about these interdimensional things that 1977 01:30:10,810 --> 01:30:09,170 we've been talking about and all of 1978 01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:10,820 those together I think will get you a 1979 01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:13,130 good start yeah that's a great book by 1980 01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:16,130 the way Jim thank you thank you I like 1981 01:30:20,740 --> 01:30:18,110 that one a lot well okay I do so now do 1982 01:30:23,020 --> 01:30:20,750 you and I know everybody is different 1983 01:30:29,170 --> 01:30:23,030 but I mean do you think that you know 1984 01:30:31,690 --> 01:30:29,180 most people would respond more readily 1985 01:30:34,540 --> 01:30:31,700 to say like an Elrod rather than you 1986 01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:34,550 know trying the traditional willows for 1987 01:30:38,050 --> 01:30:35,330 quill estate 1988 01:30:40,690 --> 01:30:38,060 well in my case I do I've never been 1989 01:30:42,430 --> 01:30:40,700 able to make a willow stick work I've 1990 01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:42,440 seen people do it I've never been able 1991 01:30:47,050 --> 01:30:43,040 to do it 1992 01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:47,060 Elrod's to me I have been the most 1993 01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:50,000 convenient when I teach people how to 1994 01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:52,400 dowse for instance and shows what 1995 01:30:58,690 --> 01:30:54,020 machines I'll even take someone and 1996 01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,700 we'll douse the aura of a tree we'll 1997 01:31:01,150 --> 01:31:00,800 find it a tree out here we'll Dow C or 1998 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:01,160 and 1999 01:31:06,810 --> 01:31:03,290 that tree has an aura that goes out 2000 01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:06,820 three four feet then we'll go back we'll 2001 01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:11,120 literally hug the tree and let that tree 2002 01:31:15,070 --> 01:31:13,280 know that it's that it's loved and then 2003 01:31:17,410 --> 01:31:15,080 we'll douse the aura again and the 2004 01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:17,420 second time after we have interacted 2005 01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:19,280 with that tree in a physical way the 2006 01:31:23,470 --> 01:31:21,170 aura now we'll go on fifteen sixteen 2007 01:31:26,590 --> 01:31:23,480 feet sometimes it's just it's just 2008 01:31:29,230 --> 01:31:26,600 amazing how plants can respond and this 2009 01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:29,240 is not really that far out people have 2010 01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:31,520 been saying for generations that some 2011 01:31:35,310 --> 01:31:33,260 people have a green thumb they can talk 2012 01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:35,320 to their plants the plants respond I 2013 01:31:42,610 --> 01:31:38,210 believe they do we're all one in this in 2014 01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:42,620 this connected matrix and I think we can 2015 01:31:47,260 --> 01:31:45,320 we can communicate in this way 2016 01:31:49,690 --> 01:31:47,270 when Ed was talking about calling for 2017 01:31:52,990 --> 01:31:49,700 the aliens it makes perfect sense you 2018 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:53,000 put out a machine it's a beacon we did 2019 01:31:56,770 --> 01:31:54,650 the very same thing when we sent out 2020 01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:56,780 that the the spacecraft the Voyager 2021 01:32:01,240 --> 01:31:59,840 spacecraft and Carl Sagan came up with 2022 01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:01,250 this clever thing to try to communicate 2023 01:32:07,630 --> 01:32:04,400 with somebody out there well out there 2024 01:32:09,700 --> 01:32:07,640 is a pretty vast area and what ed was 2025 01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:09,710 doing with his was contacting someone it 2026 01:32:15,070 --> 01:32:11,330 was a whole lot closer instead of being 2027 01:32:18,010 --> 01:32:15,080 miles away being a thought away a 2028 01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:18,020 dimension away and a whole lot closer 2029 01:32:21,550 --> 01:32:18,790 than we think 2030 01:32:24,220 --> 01:32:21,560 all right gentlemen um we've only got 2031 01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:24,230 about three minutes left in the program 2032 01:32:29,470 --> 01:32:26,570 so I want to give both of you a chance 2033 01:32:30,670 --> 01:32:29,480 to let our listeners know a little bit 2034 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:30,680 more about you where they can find out 2035 01:32:37,450 --> 01:32:33,130 more about you ed let's start first 2036 01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:37,460 what's your website again the website is 2037 01:32:43,180 --> 01:32:41,210 Kelly research tech comm it's a the 2038 01:32:45,340 --> 01:32:43,190 company as you said it at the beginning 2039 01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:45,350 it started as interdimensional sciences 2040 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:48,050 and dimensional sciences and after dad 2041 01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:49,970 passed away the the lawyers told us we 2042 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:52,520 were be well advised to pick a new name 2043 01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:55,610 and and proceed under that umbrella so 2044 01:33:01,540 --> 01:32:57,530 we've been Kelly research technology 2045 01:33:03,220 --> 01:33:01,550 since 2006 and we've been building and 2046 01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:03,230 selling radionics instruments since the 2047 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:07,490 since 1978 and we teach workshops and go 2048 01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,650 out around the country and actually I 2049 01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:11,600 just found out I'm gonna be teaching my 2050 01:33:14,649 --> 01:33:13,910 first workshop in Australia in August so 2051 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:14,659 that's 2052 01:33:20,020 --> 01:33:17,209 I'm super excited about that well 2053 01:33:23,529 --> 01:33:20,030 fantastic and what what will you be 2054 01:33:26,140 --> 01:33:23,539 teaching in Australia just the literal 2055 01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:26,150 basics of how to set the instrument how 2056 01:33:31,029 --> 01:33:28,130 to put a sample in the well how to take 2057 01:33:32,679 --> 01:33:31,039 readings how to do the cold scanning and 2058 01:33:34,270 --> 01:33:32,689 how to make a balance and broadcast to 2059 01:33:36,669 --> 01:33:34,280 either add energy to something that you 2060 01:33:39,549 --> 01:33:36,679 want more up or reduce the level of 2061 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:39,559 energy in something one lesson so there 2062 01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:41,570 there are people all over the world who 2063 01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:45,280 are experimenting and researching this 2064 01:33:49,989 --> 01:33:47,689 absolutely we should we literally ship 2065 01:33:52,060 --> 01:33:49,999 all over the world and you know these 2066 01:33:55,770 --> 01:33:52,070 are tools that are used by all of the 2067 01:34:05,319 --> 01:33:55,780 major governments it's it's a quieting 2068 01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:05,329 CIA yeah they would they wouldn't tell 2069 01:34:12,879 --> 01:34:10,159 you anyway famously got his first big 2070 01:34:14,679 --> 01:34:12,889 government contract by he called up his 2071 01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:14,689 little buddies from the from the army 2072 01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:16,249 and said yeah but I can tell you the 2073 01:34:26,679 --> 01:34:18,650 vital signs of the Gemini astronauts 2074 01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:26,689 while they're in orbit big contract ice 2075 01:34:32,770 --> 01:34:30,260 I see it coming now all right Jim real 2076 01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:32,780 quick what's your website again the 2077 01:34:40,179 --> 01:34:36,050 website is Jim Willis net or on Facebook 2078 01:34:43,839 --> 01:34:40,189 and Jim Willis other all right forget it 2079 01:34:48,060 --> 01:34:43,849 don't forget our Facebook channel it's 2080 01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:48,070 mr. 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